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Who Wants Nothing To Do With One Sticking?

I use the same cut down set of LW sticks ive used for the last 25 years or so. I put them on a sling and carry them over my shoulder. The 4 of them weigh I think around 7.5 lbs or so, been awhile since i weighed them.

Its just SO easy to put those 4 sticks up in the dark, weird trees, bad weather, etc. It seem insane to me to leave three of them home to save 5 lbs but increase the fiddle factor and difficulty level ten fold. There is nothing easier or more comfortable than standing on my top doublestep and leaning into my linemans belt while i put my next stick on. I could have a cup of coffee while i do it, 5 lbs is well worth that ease and stealth.
 
Some good responses to this already, but I just can't see hunting the same set after nature calls on #2 to take the field. I mean, we're talking emergency and I'd think the rappel would be quick enough to have a moment to unsaddle before any unwanted explosion. If not, you're gonna have to change that saddle mister and the only thing brown going down is all ready to pack out.

If it's a more casual gots-to-go, how far are you trekking to unload your extra gear? I suppose you could try and make something of a bad situation by creating a nice little wind bump to funnel deer by your stand. Personally, I don't want a pile anywhere near my spot. Clench or move on.

If you find a saddle in the woods, don’t think you just won the lottery. Some one dumped in it! Lol

I hadn’t one sticked yet. Got my stuff to try it out and practice this summer. But my reason from swapping from sticks isn’t weight. I have no problem packing my sticks. What I would like to change is the packing and unpacking of them at the tree. And mostly, climbing with multiple steps hanging from my side. I hate that. But It has been my go to for years, way before saddles for me. And rappelling is so quick down the tree.
 
I use the same cut down set of LW sticks ive used for the last 25 years or so. I put them on a sling and carry them over my shoulder. The 4 of them weigh I think around 7.5 lbs or so, been awhile since i weighed them.

Its just SO easy to put those 4 sticks up in the dark, weird trees, bad weather, etc. It seem insane to me to leave three of them home to save 5 lbs but increase the fiddle factor and difficulty level ten fold. There is nothing easier or more comfortable than standing on my top doublestep and leaning into my linemans belt while i put my next stick on. I could have a cup of coffee while i do it, 5 lbs is well worth that ease and stealth.

In most places I hunt, carrying sticks isn't an issue. If I can walk with relative freedom, I like the idea of strapping my bow to my pack, platform stowed away, carrying sticks as you do. I mean 7lbs is the equivalent of a normal hunting rifle. I'd feel pretty good about that set up, especially with sticks that don't have a lot of sharp protrusions in case of a fall.

But, I have one spot that I hunt, although less often than I used to and maybe than I should. It's good, but hard hunting. It is often crawl through thick, such that I've gotten hung up and it's been a fight for freedom. I try to get into the few pockets that facilitate elevated hunting, typically a wet patch with some scrubby oaks to hang from, or I hunt a particular deer trail from the ground.

In this scenario, less bulk reigns.

Making noise on the way in is a given and it is always difficult, I reduce both with a one stick or no stick approach.
 
If you find a saddle in the woods, don’t think you just won the lottery. Some one dumped in it! Lol

I hadn’t one sticked yet. Got my stuff to try it out and practice this summer. But my reason from swapping from sticks isn’t weight. I have no problem packing my sticks. What I would like to change is the packing and unpacking of them at the tree. And mostly, climbing with multiple steps hanging from my side. I hate that. But It has been my go to for years, way before saddles for me. And rappelling is so quick down the tree.

Not having to pack/stack sticks at the end of a hunt is the main reason I one-stick.
 
I paint the block.glue the webbing around it .pre drill it and bolt it.que the panic police...using them 7 years.not gunna stop.these are not used for my ring of steps .just for climbing .i made them when there was nothing els like them on the market.for the cost of 14 cam straps you can buy 12 silent aproach steps to climb with.
 
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I read everyone's post's.
I'm almost 66, 6', 200lbs, in decent shape.. and 1st yr saddle hunter. I was running our roof @ age 3 and climbing trees. Was I ever scared, never. Should I have been, maybe. I would never advise or condone this but quite frankly I have used a set of 3ea LW set of sticks for 13 yrs. and rarely used the linesman rope on my 20yr old ole summit harness while climbing except to hang a stand or step onto a fixed stand wrapping that ole prussic tether around a tree 1st. I was never worried. During the past 6 yrs I did buy some muddy double steps and DIY them to the top of each stick to be less stress on the knees while hanging the next stick or stand. I did pass out once after finish setting a stand about 15 yrs ago w/o a any harness but that will be a different post.
I have only climbed a tree once with a borrowed phantom with ropemans on the lineman, tether and set up a predator XL in less that 10 min. @ 20 ' w/ zero direction other to show me a 1 minute how to adjust the harness. It was so 2nd nature and easy to get to climbing height I was dumbfounded. After that initial setup w/months of research later I ordered recon's for my young neighbor and myself. Friday I got my repel gear from EWO. Neighbor is using a LW 3 stick set up. I'm going to repel right outa the gate. I have zero apprehension about 1 sticking. I'm done dragging stands, bulky sticks setting them all up just to tear them all down @ season's end on public.
I agree with Kyler1945 & J_D views. For me on state land it all comes down to stealth against other hunters and deer, weight, ease of set up, keeping a narrow profile as possible trying not to touch any vegetation, getting in & out as quiet as possible. I'm going from 3 LW's to a single Sh1kar 1 stick w/cam cleat, double steps and a 2 step aider. Plan to order an EDP or a XL as soon as I test a couple things. I have total confidence as a seasoned hunter/outdoorsman, my style and abilities to 1 stick. I have carried those LW sticks or my Summit climber on public many many yrs. Saddle hunting and what ever method you choose to climb gives ya an edge to see more.. are there issues, yes, can you overcome them, depends personally.
Since 1988 when I started deer hunting and climbing trees with a baker in FL I never had to climb down a tree to take a #2 but have used a pee bottle tons of times. I'm certainly not going to eat bacon, sausage, or ham 1st thing but usually will have a coffee and then something light and bring trail mix, jerky etc for the remaining day. I know my gut..
Now its gonna be lots of practice with bow and pistol long before I ever hunt..
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Sorry not interested at all. I will keep using my 3 beast sticks with cable aiders. Way to much opertunity to be seen or heard spending that much time out away from the tree setting and removing sticks with cam cleats. Those cam cleats snapping back together when rope is pulled makes me cringe. More opertunity for boot noises on bark. Plus what do you do with ice and sleet on trees. Sometimes the trees are like a scateboard when wet or icy. I am not walking 1-4 miles back just to blow a deer out over saving 2-3 lbs in pack weight. I will keep doing what I am doing going slow and steady up a tree quiet close to the tree the whole time. More power to you if you want to do it but no amount of cheerleading is gonna make me try it. Watched enough videos to know I want nothing to do with it.
I honestly don't notice the cam cleat noise at all. Also @boyne bowhunter, in one of his youtube videos modified his cam cleat to keep it silent. If I can find the link I'll add it to this response.
 
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TL;DR All climbing methods are just about the same when viewed in proper context. People don't typically view them in the proper context. The variable that matters most is hidden in the profile of the climber/hunter/style of hunting - not the climbing method used. Study yourself and your habits.





These conversations/debates always end up being circular. We all lack the proper context and perspective to compare with each other. This is why I always try to broaden the questions being asked.

Folks seem to hone in on one negative or positive about equipment, or conflate certain aspects with other unrelated equipment/methods.

I try to think about climbing methods the following way:

I consider all aspects of a climbing method.

- How much does it cost compared to other methods, and in the context of my own budget?
- If it has any complexity to it, or moving parts, how accessible is service and replacements?
- How much does it weigh?
- How well does it pack for scouting, hunting, packing out with deer parts added to the mix ( l like to make one trip in, one trip out when possible)?
- How much time does it take me to learn to use the equipment/method compared to other equipment/methods?
- How much risk do I incur compared to other equipment/methods, in the context of my whole hunting experience?
- How much time/effort does it take me to prepare the stuff to go hunting, comparatively?
- How much time/effort does it take me to walk in with the stuff, comparatively?
- How much time/effort does it take to unpack and prepare the stuff to start climbing, comparatively?
- How much time/effort does it take to climb up with the stuff, comparatively?
- How much time/effort does it take to prepare the stuff to start climbing down, comparatively?
- How much time/effort does it take to climb down with the stuff, comparatively?
- How much time/effort does it take to pack up the stuff to walk out, comparatively?
- How much time/effort does it take to walk out with the stuff, comparatively?
- How much time/effort/space does it take to store the stuff at home, comparatively?

If that seems insane, it is. I'm single, don't have kids, have disposable income, and like to hunt and play with hunting gear.

What I've found, is that when you do this analysis, ALL climbing methods become indecipherable from each other, with all variables held constant but the climbing method. What does change, is the weight that each individual person applies to each of the above aspects.

I'm personally happy that no one really thinks about this stuff in any great detail. Why? It's the reason we have such an awesome classifieds section. People buy stuff because one guy says one aspect of a piece of equipment makes it a game changer. 50 people buy it immediately, and then regret doing so, because they lacked the context of their own hunting situations/styles. They end up selling it at a good discount.

But here are some things that might clear up some of the conversation about using a single stick to climb:

Single stick climbing, conceptually, is different from using multiple sticks, in two ways - you only have one stick, and your feet are not on a stick when you attach the "next" stick.

Complaints about noise, complexity, etc. are absurd in my opinion. But I can see how they come up from folks who aren't thinking about the problem properly. Attaching a stick to a tree makes the same amount of noise, whether it is one stick being reused, or a second stick. If you make too much noise while repositioning the stick, it's because you're not experienced enough doing it, not flexible or strong enough to execute it, or some random thing during your climb causes it. That doesn't make one stick climbing noisy, it makes you noisy. Complaints about complexity make no sense. You're attaching a stick to a tree 2-6 times, the same as you would when you use multiple sticks. Yes, you add advancing a tether, and reaching down for a stick. Guess what? You take away the need for removing sticks if you rappel down. And even if you don't, you eliminate the noise/effort of unpacking and packing up, and climbing up and down with multiple sticks.

Much of the issues brought up regarding stability, leaning trees, risk, etc. seem to center on aiders. Guess what - you can single stick without aiders. Or shorter ones. But the issue isn't single stick climbing, it's aiders, and your relationship to them. However, if you're comparing climbing multiple sticks to a single stick, but both have, or don't have aiders, you've eliminated that variable from the picture. If you are comparing it to some completely different climbing method, all the other factors above come back into play, and the total sum difference disappears. See a trend here?

One complaint I see a lot is the time needed to become proficient with the method, compared to others. One could make the argument that folks should be spending a lot more time thinking about, practicing, and perfecting even the simplest of climbing methods. Just because you CAN be mindless about attaching multiple sticks to a tree, or using a climbing platform (that doesn't exist commercially today), doesn't mean you should. It shows a lack of understanding of risk, as well as an incomplete comparison to the other methods being considered.

Another issue that gets talked about in a weird way, is the fact that all youtube videos of climbing methods are on straight, limbless trees. People rightly intuit that climbing a leaning tree, or one with branches, is more difficult/time consuming/risky than climbing a straight one with no branches. What they get wrong is neglecting to consider that ALL climbing methods get more difficult/time consuming/risky with a leaner/branches. When you consider the delta between climbing a straight/limbless versus leaning/limbed for a single climbing method, it leaves out important context. You have to take that delta, and plug it into the multivariate analysis above. What you find is that the time/effort/risk delta is largely swallowed up by the total difference across all of those other important factors.


You can compare this to the silly heavy/light fixed/mechanical debate on arrows. Same issues.


If you're thinking about trying one stick climbing - it is going to be better or worse than what you're currently using to climb. That's a fact. However, it will likely be much less better or worse than you have in your head. Only you can determine this, and it can only be determined through a pretty thorough analysis.

If you're thinking about getting away from one stick climbing, any other method will definitely be better or worse. That's a fact. However, it will likely be much less better or worse than you have in your head. Only you can determine this, and it can only be determined through a pretty thorough analysis.
What he said!!!
 
I'm certainly not going to eat bacon, sausage, or ham 1st thing but usually will have a coffee and then something light and bring trail mix, jerky etc for the remaining day. I know my gut..
I thought I used to know my gut too. Now that I am doing healthy ketosis, you want to eat the bacon, sausage or ham and eggs but don't eat them until between 1pm and 7pm and you won't #2 for ever during your hunts. You lose weight, have great energy and you don't poop like a barnyard bull anymore either. For you guys that always have to poop, I'm telling you go Keto or Carnivore.
 
I thought I used to know my gut too. Now that I am doing healthy ketosis, you want to eat the bacon, sausage or ham and eggs but don't eat them until between 1pm and 7pm and you won't #2 for ever during your hunts. You lose weight, have great energy and you don't poop like a barnyard bull anymore either. For you guys that always have to poop, I'm telling you go Keto or Carnivore.
That is my experience as well. The carbs make you SH** uncontrollably. I mentioned that a few times on this site but the people seemed to think I was SH**ing them. The truth was, I was not.
 
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