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Lightest Climbing Methods?

tailgunner

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I think I use that same bag (think I got it at Walmart shooting department) for 30 bucks and use cranford ezy climb rope steps. Forgot my ring of steps on my last sit. Took four of my cranford steps and made one impromptu. Worked perfectly. I have tried a couple of steps now and the cranford are so easy on and off the tree and are strong and sturdy. You can use with an aider but I’d rather just walk up the tree. Can get the 4 pack for about 40 bucks on sale. They fold up and are super small. Whoopie attachment is perfect and works without any fiddle factor. Sling bag is nice to pull around and grab more steps. Gonna order four more and maybe their scaffold for a ring.
nothing gets in your way i bet.not trees with s turns in the trunk,not leaning trees .no giant knots.or branches.just walk up a tree without leaning your head against a bar that dont serve drinks. thousands of years ago men used to sharpen rocks put them on the end of a stick and throw it at game.now we have rifles and compound bows for that.yet people think they still need a stick to hunt. just set in their ways i guess
 
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All these light weight climbing methods seem to require an ideal tree that resembles a utility pole. Strap on steps work the best but are not as stable as a well set climbing stick, plus running that many straps is a pain. But so is lugging around a set of climbing sticks and the light weight ones cost a fortune. Every public land legal climbing method sucks compared to screw in steps or bolts. But at least if your carrying climbing sticks you can get in a wide variety of trees.
I beg to disagree. Theres been alot of progress made in 2TC that some of us just haven't videoed yet. Oak trees with many branches, pines with short stubs are not any more difficult to get with 2TC than normal sticks and dealing with a lineman belt having to go around each branch.
Think of it. You need 2 LB to go around a branch when stick climbing unless you clip your belt to your stick when you move your LB. 2TC has LESS hassle and is so much safer than stick climbing.
There is a trade off of safety, noise, and objects(weight)between systems and that's it. Trees, IMO, have nothing to do with which system you choose.
The truth is that many folks are looking for nice straight trees(even with branches) no matter which method they have. No one likes leaners, esp excessive ones.
 

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with single steps your feet are wider on the tree .with sticks your feet are side by side and right up against the tree.so thats an inacurate assumpion.with straps you dont even worry about crooked trees, bent trees, knots in trees or branchess.none of these make single steps un stable.and there is no chance of them kicking out sideways like sticks.not to mention blacktails will look at your stick and fallow them with there eyes up the tree.for long distance hunting packability takes priority .packing straps in a bag or a stick on a bag getting hung up all day in bear tunnels. i know not every one hunts that way or that kind of wilderness .some guys pull up to a parking lot walk the manicured park trail in 2 miles calling it deep, walk off the trail 200 yards and set up sticks where they can hear traffic.then say i hunted hard all day.if you plan on sleeping in the woods fallowing elk from county to county you probably aint even goin to get a chance to climb a tree so all of it is exess.its just if i get lucky and find hot sighn over a wallow so i dont realy want more than just my saddle, i climb tree branchess.im an aging roofer who needs to be able to cover at least 17 miles in a weekend of the kind of elivation changes most people dont even know exist. so i would rather put more straps around the tree than carry 1 stick.comparing the energy of carrying a clunky stick all day or the energy of putting a couple more straps up in 10 minutes of the day.tree stand hunters will carry in a climbing stand on there back the same distanc as most saddle hunters. if they only hunt from trees they say they dont care about packability or weight its a short walk eat more proteine.my prioritys are long distance packability through blacktail woods first.then weight, then ease of use .in that order.thats why im going to 2tc.other peoples priorities are different. i mean monkeys use sticks to scare animals away
I agree about your points on steps vs sticks. But I’ve tried the tree hopper steps, squirrel steps, and pioneer steps. Squirrel steps and pioneer steps work pretty good but they want to pull away from the tree when attached with a cam buckle, I’ve even had them slide around the tree when I’m trying to climb a leaner and can’t help but put side pressure on them. I had terrible luck with the tree hopper steps. I haven’t tried the cranford rope steps yet.
 

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I agree about your points on steps vs sticks. But I’ve tried the tree hopper steps, squirrel steps, and pioneer steps. Squirrel steps and pioneer steps work pretty good but they want to pull away from the tree when attached with a cam buckle, I’ve even had them slide around the tree when I’m trying to climb a leaner and can’t help but put side pressure on them. I had terrible luck with the tree hopper steps. I haven’t tried the cranford rope steps yet.
do you put your steps on the sides of the tree like a linmens pole or angled towards you at 5 o clock and 7 .if trying to put them on the side of a tree you can push them around it ...if you put sticks on the side of a tree you can push them around it .just a learning curve
 
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I agree about your points on steps vs sticks. But I’ve tried the tree hopper steps, squirrel steps, and pioneer steps. Squirrel steps and pioneer steps work pretty good but they want to pull away from the tree when attached with a cam buckle, I’ve even had them slide around the tree when I’m trying to climb a leaner and can’t help but put side pressure on them. I had terrible luck with the tree hopper steps. I haven’t tried the cranford rope steps yet.
I put side pressure on the steps yesterday when I was using them as my ring. They were fine. Whoopie attaches pull tight and seat the step. They are solid. No sketch. They aren’t as good as a drilled step but they go on and come off way quicker. I do the 5 and 7 o’clock personally and it’s as easy as climbing a ladder.
 

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I beg to disagree. Theres been alot of progress made in 2TC that some of us just haven't videoed yet. Oak trees with many branches, pines with short stubs are not any more difficult to get with 2TC than normal sticks and dealing with a lineman belt having to go around each branch.
Think of it. You need 2 LB to go around a branch when stick climbing unless you clip your belt to your stick when you move your LB. 2TC has LESS hassle and is so much safer than stick climbing.
There is a trade off of safety, noise, and objects(weight)between systems and that's it. Trees, IMO, have nothing to do with which system you choose.
The truth is that many folks are looking for nice straight trees(even with branches) no matter which method they have. No one likes leaners, esp excessive ones.
My main hang up isn’t going around limbs but climbing leaners. I don’t like them either but I seem cursed to hunt them. When I find good sign I look around and there will be one tree available and it will lean. Any system that relies on aiders or hanging from a tether will be difficult to climb a leaning tree with.
 
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My main hang up isn’t going around limbs but climbing leaners. I don’t like them either but I seem cursed to hunt them. When I find good sign I look around and there will be one tree available and it will lean. Any system that relies on aiders or hanging from a tether will be difficult to climb a leaning tree with.
To be very honest, if you climb 2TC on the bottom of the leaner you have little worry about kick out and when you hang from the M tether to move your F tether you aren't fighting the tree as in your body ist drawn into it. I've done mild leaners... seriously no problem.
 

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gravity sucks compared to branches
I have a question....do you use 1 or 2 linesman belt when you climb with strap on steps in order to be safe and going about branches or do you climb full samoan?
 
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do you put your steps on the sides of the tree like a linmens pole or angled towards you at 5 o clock and 7 .if trying to put them on the side of a tree you can push them around it ...if you put sticks on the side of a tree you can push them around it .just a learning curve
I think about 5 and 7. My main incident I was referring to I was trying to step up on my plat form and the step slid out from under me and I ended up hanging from my plat form by my hands until I could get my foot on the lower step. I tried to hang my platform to high above my last step and it made the angle weird. My fault but it made me nervous to use them.
 

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To be very honest, if you climb 2TC on the bottom of the leaner you have little worry about kick out and when you hang from the M tether to move your F tether you aren't fighting the tree as in your body ist drawn into it. I've done mild leaners... seriously no problem.
Can you hang a platform on the high side and get in it from the low side? I don’t care for a ros.
 

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I have a question....do you use 1 or 2 linesman belt when you climb with strap on steps in order to be safe and going about branches or do you climb full samoan?
if I'm not hunting and when I was younger I'd love climbing just branches without anything. I've done many tree trimming jobs in Thailand with nothing around me except my feet and hand while sawing or chopping....I love that thrill....
Even 3 years ago when hunting for the first time Iput steps and climbed and set a treestand just with one hand, my life hanging in the other hand... no one told me to use a saftey harness and LB... and I wasn't scared....until I started researching hunting online ....
 
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Can you hang a platform on the high side and get in it from the low side? I don’t care for a ros.
Yes. I hang my platform where I want my feet to be, then keep doing a couple more moves until my foot in my F tether is the same level as my platform . Swing around over. I dont use a ROS.