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Podcast with The Ashby Bowhunting Foundation

Allegheny Tom

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There has been several podcasts discussing "Ashby" style arrows but this one touches on some aspects that I have not heard before.
There is some good news for users of mechanical heads, Sevr broadheads did very well in the latest tests.
They also discuss pin gaps and trajectory in a little different context than we often hear from the light arrow crowd.
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Ep.42: The Ashby Foundation - Ryan Furrer Podcast

The Ashby Foundation- with Rob Neilson, and Rob Hummel. Yep! You guessed it, arrow penetration. Fixed vs mechanical. Slow and heavy, vs light and fast. If this topic is not thee most argued topic in all of archery hunting, then I don't ...
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I’m excited for this one, I bumped up from 400 to 500 his year and had issues with both deer I shot…..long story but I’m thinking of going back down to 400’s
 
1simplemann said:
What kind of issues?
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I can’t definitely say, but I think speed of arrow was an issue. My bow is older and I don’t think it has the juice to push the arrows fast enough. I had one doe duck the string and I hit her high (non lethal) I took a doe who I had broadside but when I recovered her the hit was a pretty hard quarter, and then I ended up gut shotting a buck with the same issue. Obviously it all could have been me but I have the bow tuned well and group FP/BH all day long out to 40, so I think the second two deer turned on me……I don’t know for sure as things happen quick but after jumping up in weight I shot at 3 and had three issues (all within 20 yards)where as before I never had issues at 20 yards always clean hits and quick drops.
 
Plebe said:
Here are links to the case studies from 2022 and 2021. Some surprise results. If you were interested enough to listen through that mess of a podcast, here's the goodies. You'll want to give them a read.


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Thanks! I've been holding off due to length, 2 hours is a tough sell
 
Iron_llama said:
I've listened to a couple of Kifaru podcasts, dude pushes a "happy medium" TAW, IIRC 550-625-ish. He was surprised that Ranch Fairy is closer to his weight than he had expected. It's easy to fixate on a couple of the 12 factors without understanding them, or knowing how they relate to each other.
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I got Aaron Snyder at:

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Plebe said:
Here are links to the case studies from 2022 and 2021. Some surprise results. If you were interested enough to listen through that mess of a podcast, here's the goodies. You'll want to give them a read.


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Especially of note are pages 10 and 11 in the '22 study in regards to TAW, FOC and penetration.

Seems FOC may be more important than TAW but all arrows were within 50 grains and overall the head being tested was outstanding in the study

Thanks again for the links! Even at 111 or so pages that's way a faster read than 2 hours, and I personally get more out of text than audio
 
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Horn said:
Especially of note are pages 10 and 11 in the '22 study in regards to TAW, FOC and penetration.

Seems FOC may be more important than TAW but all arrows were within 50 grains and overall the head being tested was outstanding in the study

Thanks again for the links! Even at 111 or so pages that's way a faster read than 2 hours, and I personally get more out of text than audio
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I couldn't make heads or tails of the podcast. There's things to weed out from the field studies, but some interesting observations for sure.
 
ketch22 said:
I can’t definitely say, but I think speed of arrow was an issue. My bow is older and I don’t think it has the juice to push the arrows fast enough. I had one doe duck the string and I hit her high (non lethal) I took a doe who I had broadside but when I recovered her the hit was a pretty hard quarter, and then I ended up gut shotting a buck with the same issue. Obviously it all could have been me but I have the bow tuned well and group FP/BH all day long out to 40, so I think the second two deer turned on me……I don’t know for sure as things happen quick but after jumping up in weight I shot at 3 and had three issues (all within 20 yards)where as before I never had issues at 20 yards always clean hits and quick drops.
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Without seeing your bow for myself I can't say for certain but I will say It's not the speed of the arrow. It's something else. Look closer at your set up. Maybe they are hearing the bow go off or your arrows are whistling. Vented BH's whistle. My dad used to kill them consistently w/ a Jennings Model T and XX75s going max 185 fps. That thing was quiet as a mouse. They never jumped the string.
 
1simplemann said:
Without seeing your bow for myself I can't say for certain but I will say It's not the speed of the arrow. It's something else. Look closer at your set up. Maybe they are hearing the bow go off or your arrows are whistling. Vented BH's whistle. My dad used to kill them consistently w/ a Jennings Model T and XX75s going max 185 fps. That thing was quiet as a mouse. They never jumped the string.
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Same broadheads from last year, yes they are vented, but the only thing k changed was the arrow itself so I’ll go back to the others and see if I get similar results
 
ketch22 said:
Same broadheads from last year, yes they are vented, but the only thing k changed was the arrow itself so I’ll go back to the others and see if I get similar results
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So what was the deer's attitude before the shot? Were they looking at you or were they already on alert upon release?
Were they standing still or walking slowly?
Were they alone?
How about background noise? Was it dead calm or were there some "woods" noises?
All these things can make a difference in how a deer reacts when they hear the shot.
Your bow should be shooting quieter with the heavier arrow.
And how much slower fps are the heavier arrows shooting?
FWIW, I'm shooting 680gr out of a recurve so my fps is measured with a calendar. As far as I can tell with the naked eye, I've not had many relaxed deer duck my arrows. I did shoot over one (or did he duck?) 2 years ago but that deer was nervous upon release. I think shooting at an alert deer is the primary cause of them ducking the arrow.
 
Allegheny Tom said:
So what was the deer's attitude before the shot? Were they looking at you or were they already on alert upon release?
Were they standing still or walking slowly?
Were they alone?
How about background noise? Was it dead calm or were there some "woods" noises?
All these things can make a difference in how a deer reacts when they hear the shot.
Your bow should be shooting quieter with the heavier arrow.
And how much slower fps are the heavier arrows shooting?
FWIW, I'm shooting 680gr out of a recurve so my fps is measured with a calendar. As far as I can tell with the naked eye, I've not had many relaxed deer duck my arrows. I did shoot over one (or did he duck?) 2 years ago but that deer was nervous upon release. I think shooting at an alert deer is the primary cause of them ducking the arrow.
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fiest one was calm had no clue I was there, I think that shot was on me.

second was feeding but somewhat alert because she crossed my trail and was eyeing the area trying to figure out what was
Going on prior to feeding.

third was very alert because he had nine doe around blowing and carrying on trying to figure out what was going on.

It all could have just been me but the only thing I changed was my setup so I figured I’d go back to what I had and see if it makes a difference next year.
 
ketch22 said:
fiest one was calm had no clue I was there, I think that shot was on me.

second was feeding but somewhat alert because she crossed my trail and was eyeing the area trying to figure out what was
Going on prior to feeding.

third was very alert because he had nine doe around blowing and carrying on trying to figure out what was going on.

It all could have just been me but the only thing I changed was my setup so I figured I’d go back to what I had and see if it makes a difference next year.
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Based on what you said, I don't think the speed of your arrow was/is the problem. Your basing your whole opinion on 3 deer but all 3 are flawed by your own admission. 1st deer you blame yourself, 2nd deer alert deer, 3rd deer alert. Plus you have vented BH's. You can't outrun the speed of sound no matter how fast your arrow is going. They are hearing your arrow and they are alert. They are going to duck no matter what.
 
1simplemann said:
Based on what you said, I don't think the speed of your arrow was/is the problem. Your basing your whole opinion on 3 deer but all 3 are flawed by your own admission. 1st deer you blame yourself, 2nd deer alert deer, 3rd deer alert. Plus you have vented BH's. You can't outrun the speed of sound no matter how fast your arrow is going. They are hearing your arrow and they are alert. They are going to duck no matter what.
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Yes, you’re correct, just the two Previous deer j shot with the other arrows were alert as well but I didn’t have the same issue. I could be completely wrong but it’s all just my observations
 
ketch22 said:
Yes, you’re correct, just the two Previous deer j shot with the other arrows were alert as well but I didn’t have the same issue. I could be completely wrong but it’s all just my observations
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So you have shot 5 deer total in your bowhunting career?
 
1simplemann said:
So you have shot 5 deer total in your bowhunting career?
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With a bow yes, I only picked up archery hunting 3 years ago, I’ve been hunting longer and shooting bows for 15. there are other reasons for my switch but I’m not diving into all that, I’ve had zero issues with pass through a with my “lighter” arrows. I’ll use the heavier ones for my faster bow. But my older now draws and shoots like butter, hard to beat while hunting.
 
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