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AmSteel for a Line man's Belt and Thether??

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Canyon Elite is soft and kinda fuzzy. Those are not good characteristics for climbing.

Something stiff is much better for advancing up a tree!

I climb with a separate tether and I have a bunch of them. I like my stiffest ones the best!
 
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Jennifer L said:
Thank you. Looking for feedback from Phaco, but if I dont hear anything, i will take it to mean his amsteel tether broke and he plummeted to ground somewhere in the woods never to be heard from again? Just curious if any one stickers using an amsteel rope mod to climb the tree with 100% of their weight on catch as much grief? I have 9.5mm canyon elite for rappelling and will keep using ascent as well for time being. Just looking for somethinf eaiser to advance and reduce slack in my system.
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@Phaco hasn't logged on since January of last year.

Just curios, what do you see being easier about advancing amsteel up a tree?

I can't think of a single property that would make it easier to use as a tether.
 
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Amsteel is NOT easy to advance on a tree, the fibers really stick to the bark. I use an amsteel daisy chain as a gear hanger, this "feature" works great for this because even when not completely tight it still stays in place. Would NOT recommend for a tether. At all. Also secondary problem is if you use it for your tether, how are you going to attach to your bridge? Not reccomended to use amsteel on amsteel for friction hitches at all either. All in all, amsteel definitely has its uses, but tether ain't one of them.
 
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thedutchtouch said:
Amsteel is NOT easy to advance on a tree, the fibers really stick to the bark. I use an amsteel daisy chain as a gear hanger, this "feature" works great for this because even when not completely tight it still stays in place. Would NOT recommend for a tether. At all. Also secondary problem is if you use it for your tether, how are you going to attach to your bridge? Not reccomended to use amsteel on amsteel for friction hitches at all either. All in all, amsteel definitely has its uses, but tether ain't one of them.
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Ok. Thank you. I wanted a tether that sticks to the tree and does not slip back down after I set it.
 
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GCTerpfan said:
@Phaco hasn't logged on since January of last year.

Just curios, what do you see being easier about advancing amsteel up a tree?

I can't think of a single property that would make it easier to use as a tether.
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It stays put(sticks to tree) after setting as high as i can get it. No sag. Limit the slack in the systen when 1 sticking. Personally thats what i prefer. I am have used a shooting stick to set my rappel rope even higher, but it slides back down some after taking stick down.
 
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Jennifer L said:
Thank you. Looking for feedback from Phaco, but if I dont hear anything, i will take it to mean his amsteel tether broke and he plummeted to ground somewhere in the woods never to be heard from again? Just curious if any one stickers using an amsteel rope mod to climb the tree with 100% of their weight on catch as much grief? I have 9.5mm canyon elite for rappelling and will keep using ascent as well for time being. Just looking for somethinf eaiser to advance and reduce slack in my system.
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I think maybe something stiffer like the C-IV would advance easier, but I too have elite and it’s my tether. Love making stuff with amsteel, but I’ll keep using ropes to hang from. I’m rappelling on resctech with an ATC, but 1 stick with my separate tether.
 
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thedutchtouch said:
Not reccomended to use amsteel on amsteel for friction hitches at all either. All in all, amsteel definitely has its uses, but tether ain't one of them.
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While I agree with not using for a tether just mainly due to wear from tree bark.

I have to ask (I'm new) why not as a friction hitch ? My saddle (and others) use it as an adjustable bridge...Just asking ?

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Was just going to reply with the same question above as I’m new too and my saddle came with amsteel bridge
 
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Jennifer L said:
It stays put(sticks to tree) after setting as high as i can get it. No sag. Limit the slack in the systen when 1 sticking. Personally thats what i prefer. I am have used a shooting stick to set my rappel rope even higher, but it slides back down some after taking stick down.
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I think any supple climbing rope with a soft cover would give you that tether property without all the negatives of Amsteel. Maybe @Brocky or someone else has a rope recommendation for you.

Or maybe one of @phatkaw's many tethers has that property and he could make a recomendation.
 
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Skunkworkx said:
While I agree with not using for a tether just mainly due to wear from tree bark.

I have to ask (I'm new) why not as a friction hitch ? My saddle (and others) use it as an adjustable bridge...Just asking ?

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It’s fine for something that you will adjust while not under tension. The problem with Amsteel and friction hitches is if you try to adjust them under load, there is heat created and heat is the enemy of Dyneema.


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GCTerpfan said:
I think any supple climbing rope with a soft cover would give you that tether property without all the negatives of Amsteel. Maybe @Brocky or someone else has a rope recommendation for you.

Or maybe one of @phatkaw's many tethers has that property and he could make a recomendation.
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Your top paragraph says it all.

Now, she needs to buy and try out 30 different ropes and find out first hand what she likes... (like I'm doing) :p
 
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mtsrunner said:
It’s fine for something that you will adjust while not under tension. The problem with Amsteel and friction hitches is if you try to adjust them under load, there is heat created and heat is the enemy of Dyneema.


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I can't say I've tried to adjust any under tension, hard enough after having a load on and being set, and unloading to adjust.
 
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GCTerpfan said:
I think any supple climbing rope with a soft cover would give you that tether property without all the negatives of Amsteel. Maybe @Brocky or someone else has a rope recommendation for you.

Or maybe one of @phatkaw's many tethers has that property and he could make a recomendation.
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These are the flexible ropes that I have, if used just for positioning, flexible is good for easy packing up. If using to help climb then stiffness is desired.
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Skunkworkx said:
I can't say I've tried to adjust any under tension, hard enough after having a load on and being set, and unloading to adjust.
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I agree. I actually like 1/4” full bury Amsteel for my bridge paired with a 3/16” Amsteel prusik.
 
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