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HuumanCreed said:
There is this controversial book The Virtue of Selfishness by Ayn Rand. Basically that sometime society teach us to be too polite, that it can causes internal conflict within ourselves because there is nothing wrong with being selfish in the right situation. My favorite example is when two people are sitting outside an office waiting for their turn to interview for the same job. It was time for the next person in line, he look at the other person, offer a smile and say "Good luck!" The other personal response without hesitation "Good luck to you too!"

Why......?

You're both after the SAME JOB! If you don't talk to each other, fine, but any actions you SHOULD be taking is trying to psych the other person out by psychological warfare. But no, we are train to be 'nice' to be 'polite' even when deep down we don't really want to. You should want them to fail because it would increase your chance of getting the job. Its even worse when we aren't just being disingenuous to others, but we are brainwashed so deeply that we honestly hope for the wellbeing of anyone else beside ourselves in this situation.

"I hope you have a bad interview, I hope you throw up on the manager desk and accidentally call his wife his mom."
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The problems with objectivism are many. Rand was not taken seriously by contemporary philosophers, and really still isn't. Her dad lost his business in the Russian Revolution, and she (somewhat understandably) knee-jerked hard away from any perceived "collectivism" due to a bad experience with totalitarianism wearing a communist badge. She's popular with folks who like to advocate for laissez-faire capitalism from the comfort of a country that has many socialist protections. In my mind her fanbase are a mirror-image of the sheltered kids in Che Guevara t-shirts.

In a nutshell, my personal critique of objectivism it falls apart the instant that you look at how individuals in communities actually interact with each other, and doesn't fit in a world where group selection exists. (background info for the unfamiliar https://www.americanscientist.org/article/evolution-for-the-good-of-the-group)

Models that supposedly show the success of exceptional (stronger, smarter, whatever) individuals with crooked ethics are overly simplified and ignore some key facts:

  1. Nobody likes cheaters or tyrants. "Alpha" traits have long since been discredited. Wolf and particularly chimp groups are not run by the biggest, strongest, nastiest individual. They're run by a fairly strong individual who can play nicely and garner support of the group. Bullies usually get ganked. This is proof that
  2. Groups outperform individuals. It doesn't matter how smart, strong, or rich an individual is. Average ability outperforms genius ability when you roll that die 10k times.
  3. Groups of "good citizen" collectivists outperform groups of selfish cheaters. 10, 100, or 1,000,000 people who have a common goal and high solidarity will dramatically outperform 10, 100, or 1,000,000 individualists.
  4. People talk. This makes it really hard to maintain a "winning streak" when you're an *******.
In your office interview example, being an ******* in no way plays out. Act ****ish, and there's a good chance the office secretary notices and reports that behavior to her boss. If you try to "psych out" the candidate, whether you succeed or fail he jots down a mental note that you're an uncooperative, hostile, selfish threat. Do stuff like that enough, and you find yourself in a situation where nobody responds to your calls, eats lunch with you, or tells you about new opportunities. Act nice, and even if you lose the position there's a solid chance that the guy who got the job remembers you as a really decent fellow, and perhaps even feels slightly bad for you and tries to assist you. Maybe he tells you about another job opening he knew about.

Everybody notices successful assholes because they're an anomaly. Everybody forgets about the 1,000,000 loser douchebags in their hometown, or people like Martin Shkreli.
 
@Nutterbuster I don’t have years of reading on Moloch, but I appreciate the perspective as it’s less about the virtues of any one individual or smaller group of individuals, more on the massive effects that civilizational dynamics and new technologies have on the incentive structures the individuals and collections of individuals must navigate, and the dire tradeoffs that are made along the way. A.I. will be a great test for this concept, fossil fuels and nuclear armament already have been. A lot of fantastic moral individuals around the globe have dedicated their lives to making nuclear bombs, PFAS, mortgage backed financial derivatives, are we all better off for it?
 
neonomad said:
A lot of fantastic moral individuals around the globe have dedicated their lives to making nuclear bombs, PFAS, mortgage backed financial derivatives, are we all better off for it?
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Depends. "Better off" than what other alternative, and in what way? We're definitely not "all" better off. "Moloch" is the second stanza of "Howl," which begins by remarking that Ginsberg "saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked," and ends with him commiserating with a man whom he met during a stay in a psychiatric institution. Moloch in the Hebrew Bible was remembered as a barbaric god of child sacrifice. I personally think Ginsberg hit the nail on the head with the image. The "better" world we build is often done at the expense of the innocent, whether those individuals are creatives, intellectuals, idealists, minorities, or literal children.

I like Ginsberg and dislike Rand, but I think it's only fair to point out that Ginsberg also is a poet, and not a philosopher, economist, or political theorist. He was at his best dancing "the most unHare Krishna I've ever heard." But if poetry really is the job of saying what can't be said, I think he did a pretty good job of articulating the a problem everybody seems aware of but can't talk well about.
 
I dunno who needs to read this, but Yeti makes quality stuff. Sure, hopper coolers and a lot of the drinkware may be China-made, but the company is an Austin native that still creates and innovates in the USA, and have you ever actually used a Tundra cooler? Not only are they made in the USA, they are also worth every penny of the price they’re listed at when you compare to a more budget-friendly cooler of similar size and purpose. Even the Hoppers are legitimately incredible coolers. I have kept a whole freshly-butchered deer frozen in a Tundra in my garage for over a week with only a large Yeti Ice block on top. Ambient temps 20s-50s throughout that week. My hopper will keep several ice-cold beers ice-colder than when they went in for the first 48 hours, then I add ice and they stay drinkably cold for at least another 48 but usually longer.
I’m sorry, but that %&!? works!!!
Even in the summertime, my Tundra will keep cold beers cold with no assistance for over 24 hours.
Now, their Rambler mugs are another ridiculous value! $30 or less and my coffee stays hot for 3+ hours, OR my ice water stays icy for the same!
I’m sorry, but if you keep my deer & beer cold and you keep my coffee hot…why are you my enemy?!
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
I dunno who needs to read this, but Yeti makes quality stuff. Sure, hopper coolers and a lot of the drinkware may be China-made, but the company is an Austin native that still creates and innovates in the USA, and have you ever actually used a Tundra cooler? Not only are they made in the USA, they are also worth every penny of the price they’re listed at when you compare to a more budget-friendly cooler of similar size and purpose. Even the Hoppers are legitimately incredible coolers. I have kept a whole freshly-butchered deer frozen in a Tundra in my garage for over a week with only a large Yeti Ice block on top. Ambient temps 20s-50s throughout that week. My hopper will keep several ice-cold beers ice-colder than when they went in for the first 48 hours, then I add ice and they stay drinkably cold for at least another 48 but usually longer.
I’m sorry, but that %&!? works!!!
Even in the summertime, my Tundra will keep cold beers cold with no assistance for over 24 hours.
Now, their Rambler mugs are another ridiculous value! $30 or less and my coffee stays hot for 3+ hours, OR my ice water stays icy for the same!
I’m sorry, but if you keep my deer & beer cold and you keep my coffee hot…why are you my enemy?!
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You should really try one of these:
Contigo
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
I dunno who needs to read this, but Yeti makes quality stuff. Sure, hopper coolers and a lot of the drinkware may be China-made, but the company is an Austin native that still creates and innovates in the USA, and have you ever actually used a Tundra cooler? Not only are they made in the USA, they are also worth every penny of the price they’re listed at when you compare to a more budget-friendly cooler of similar size and purpose. Even the Hoppers are legitimately incredible coolers. I have kept a whole freshly-butchered deer frozen in a Tundra in my garage for over a week with only a large Yeti Ice block on top. Ambient temps 20s-50s throughout that week. My hopper will keep several ice-cold beers ice-colder than when they went in for the first 48 hours, then I add ice and they stay drinkably cold for at least another 48 but usually longer.
I’m sorry, but that %&!? works!!!
Even in the summertime, my Tundra will keep cold beers cold with no assistance for over 24 hours.
Now, their Rambler mugs are another ridiculous value! $30 or less and my coffee stays hot for 3+ hours, OR my ice water stays icy for the same!
I’m sorry, but if you keep my deer & beer cold and you keep my coffee hot…why are you my enemy?!
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Well I for one appreciate you for distracting the redneck philosophers for a moment so they can touch grass.
 
Dope on a Rope said:
Well I for one appreciate you for distracting the redneck philosophers for a moment so they can touch grass.
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Touche.

I knew a guy who worked for Yeti and he said he enjoyed it. I hope their acquisition makes a good ROI and I hope everybody at Mystery Ranch moves on to exciting new things.
 
Center Punch said:
What I posted doesn't need to be charged, so judging by Plebe's reaction, I'd say something went right over my head.
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Oh, same brand then maybe. I have a heated mug just like that, or at least I thought it was lol, except it comes with like a charging base or something. I dunno, coffee doesn’t last longer than 2 hours around me anyway.
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
Oh, same brand then maybe. I have a heated mug just like that, or at least I thought it was lol, except it comes with like a charging base or something. I dunno, coffee doesn’t last longer than 2 hours around me anyway.
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I put that Contigo up against my wife's Yeti and it blew the Yeti away.

Ice water with lids on setting out on the deck in the Summer. 95 degrees.

Yeti lost.
 
Center Punch said:
You should really try one of these:
Contigo
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The absolute best child proof (as in won’t spill / dispense liquid if the user is not actively pushing in the button) keep my coffee hot for a long time mug ever made.

If only the Zojirushi mugs were child proof, then they would beat the contigo.

The contigo has a cult like following with the techies I work with and that I belong to. We caffeinate while slinging code on expensive laptops for extended periods of time. It is nice knowing that bumping or dropping the contigo won’t let liquid escape to harm our expensive laptops.

Now back to [mention]Nutterbuster [/mention] et. al. waxing philosophical.
 
Not trying to Hi Jack. But I think this question goes along with the theme. You always hear everyone complain about another company buying one up. Has this ever worked for the better you have seen in the outdoor world? Just curious is anyone has an example of where it made a company better.
 
Jake_b said:
My zojirushi has a lock on it, has never leaked. I can throw it in a pack and not think twice about, and it keeps coffee almost too hot!
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Very few 'mugs' have the ability to simply squeeze at the moment you want a drink, then release the mechanism and it's completely spill proof again.

Here's another mug with the same feature:
Stanley 'Trigger Action'
LOL! Trigger and Camo! What's not to love! LOL!
 
MattMan81 said:
Not trying to Hi Jack. But I think this question goes along with the theme. You always hear everyone complain about another company buying one up. Has this ever worked for the better you have seen in the outdoor world? Just curious is anyone has an example of where it made a company better.
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I've never heard of a buyout that is good for the purchased company's employees, UNLESS the employees are able to buy it.
 
MattMan81 said:
Not trying to Hi Jack. But I think this question goes along with the theme. You always hear everyone complain about another company buying one up. Has this ever worked for the better you have seen in the outdoor world? Just curious is anyone has an example of where it made a company better.
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No
 
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