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ssramage

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I am assuming your draw length is very short or your arrows are very small spine if you’re getting 18% foc after dropping over 100 grains in the front. Is it possible it’s not the broadheads that are causing the inconsistency but perhaps your arrow is under spined for the speed you’re shooting? I ask this not knowing your draw length or draw weight.
What inconsistency are you referring to? I have no problems with my setup.

But just for reference, I have a 29.5" draw length, arrows cut to 28", and am pulling 66#.
 

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I think this all the time reading what others are experiencing... I can only comment on what I've experienced and the point of aim, "lobbing" trajectory thing makes me think I'm crazy or something.....how can I not be experiencing the bad trajectory with a bow shooting 180fps or less....unless these guys are just slinging arrows at distances I wouldn't consider....
Yea my insanely heavy 650 plus grain arrows don’t have trajectory issues either until I get out past 40 yards. I wouldn’t risk shooting an animal out past 40 yards anyway because there is plenty of space for variables at that distance... My bow does shoot a little over 230 fps with those heavier arrows. And I don’t experience all that string jumping either. Last season I missed the one deer I wanted the most and I don’t truly think it jumped the string so much as I got super excited swung out from behind the tree and rushed my shot. I missed high but deep down I know it was more me and less the deer.... Sometimes I wonder if people aim center mass on the deer instead of lower 1/3 or if they don’t actually sight the bow at height as opposed to on the ground. The first season I shot from a tree stand I hadn’t learned to aim straight and then bend at the waist to keep correct T-form, so I was just drawing with my arms angled downward and I over shot 5 or 6 animals that year. Then someone explained to me how to shoot from elevation, I corrected my form and that problem went away.
 

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What inconsistency are you referring to? I have no problems with my setup.

But just for reference, I have a 29.5" draw length, arrows cut to 28", and am pulling 66#.
Sorry inconsistency was not toward you, in the midst of all this reading I replied to you and someone else and accidentally put it all in the reply to you. I was asking you more about how you kept such a high FOC while dropping so much weight. So I was curious if maybe the draw length was super short, or if perhaps you were shooting under spined to drop weight, but a 28” is roughly an average arrow length. So getting 18% FOC is impressive and you should still get amazing penetration with 200 total grains in the front! Now for your old set up and the fact that you got a pass through and barely got blood, I am baffled unless.... To me that shot must not have been in the vitals because any pass through I’ve ever gotten with deer that have hit vitals, has always resulted in a very good blood trail although most times I don’t need it. I’ve found if I sit quietly in the tree for 45 minutes or so after the shot that the deer usually lie down within 75 yards and bleed out. Even with hog which are notorious for barely bleeding at all, I’ve gotten easy enough blood trails with pass throughs. So I was curious more than anything about the pass through placement and the high FOC.. and yea the inconsistency comment wasn’t meant to go to your statement, I apologize for that
 

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Sorry inconsistency was not toward you, in the midst of all this reading I replied to you and someone else and accidentally put it all in the reply to you. I was asking you more about how you kept such a high FOC while dropping so much weight. So I was curious if maybe the draw length was super short, or if perhaps you were shooting under spined to drop weight, but a 28” is roughly an average arrow length. So getting 18% FOC is impressive and you should still get amazing penetration with 200 total grains in the front! Now for your old set up and the fact that you got a pass through and barely got blood, I am baffled unless.... To me that shot must not have been in the vitals because any pass through I’ve ever gotten with deer that have hit vitals, has always resulted in a very good blood trail although most times I don’t need it. I’ve found if I sit quietly in the tree for 45 minutes or so after the shot that the deer usually lie down within 75 yards and bleed out. Even with hog which are notorious for barely bleeding at all, I’ve gotten easy enough blood trails with pass throughs. So I was curious more than anything about the pass through placement and the high FOC.. and yea the inconsistency comment wasn’t meant to go to your statement, I apologize for that
I actually changed arrows this year, so it's not totally apples to apples. Lower weight up front and lower GPI.

As far as the slick trick performance, I have no idea and was just as surprised. Buck ran 150yds with pin drop blood. You can see from this pic the shot placement...DC04406D-A7FA-4F5D-A847-2878C982F43A.jpeg
 

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@ssramage I watched a show earlier that mentioned that sometimes a hole will be plugged by diaphragm or guts and won't show hardly any trail. Only thing I can think of.
 

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I actually changed arrows this year, so it's not totally apples to apples. Lower weight up front and lower GPI.

As far as the slick trick performance, I have no idea and was just as surprised. Buck ran 150yds with pin drop blood. You can see from this pic the shot placement...View attachment 47893
That is crazy. I’ve made that same shot with my 650 grain single bevel arrow set up and the animal barely ran. By the way you’re in south Ga. weldabeast and my self are in North east Fl. Seems like we all need to have a deer hunting escapade sometime soon. Lol
 

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Why, what did he do ?
He didn’t do anything to me. I’m a fan and follower of Dr Ed Ashby’s work. I hunt hogs year round down here and with my success rate with a heavy arrow single bevel high foc set up, I’ll never go back to light arrows with 100 grain fixed or mechanicals!
my 200 grain single bevel grizzly stiks with a 100 grain insert will remain my set up for as long as I can purchase them!
 

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He didn’t do anything to me. I’m a fan and follower of Dr Ed Ashby’s work. I hunt hogs year round down here and with my success rate with a heavy arrow single bevel high foc set up, I’ll never go back to light arrows with 100 grain fixed or mechanicals!
my 200 grain single bevel grizzly stiks with a 100 grain insert will remain my set up for as long as I can purchase them!
I've got some 125s coming in, the pro whitetail specials. Also eyed some of the Simmons BHs, they look brutal and the Mako in particular crushed Lusk's tests. Do I need to change arrows if I get heavier heads?
 

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I've got some 125s coming in, the pro whitetail specials. Also eyed some of the Simmons BHs, they look brutal and the Mako in particular crushed Lusk's tests. Do I need to change arrows if I get heavier heads?
Depends on your arrow length, the spine you currently shoot, your draw length and draw weight. All of those play a factor in arrow flight with heavier broad heads
 

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@ssramage I watched a show earlier that mentioned that sometimes a hole will be plugged by diaphragm or guts and won't show hardly any trail. Only thing I can think of.
This is what I'm assuming happened, and why I'm switching to larger diameter mechanicals.

There's no disputing the fact that it worked. The deer died and was recovered. But I prefer large blood trails and wounds that put down deer fast. Hunting some suburban areas and some thick swamps, the further a deer runs, the higher my chances of running into complications.
 

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Was that a quartering away shot or broadside?
It’s hard to tell but based on the look of that wound in his pic I would guess a pretty hard downward angle and a broadside shot. Just making a guess of the exit wound
 

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Well here was the shot, notice me in the tree.... he was slightly quartered to, but mostly broadside. That's the exit. I'm about 16-17' up and it was a 15yd shot.

I can confirm that the arrow hit both lungs.53DA84A1-B7DC-4A0A-A8A0-1D50B5D21BBD.jpeg
 

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I've got some 125s coming in, the pro whitetail specials. Also eyed some of the Simmons BHs, they look brutal and the Mako in particular crushed Lusk's tests. Do I need to change arrows if I get heavier heads?
I have killed over 100 animals with Simmons heads.They are great heads and fly very well even on faster setups I shoot em about 290 with a 450gr arrow Have not shot the Mako
 

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This is what I'm assuming happened, and why I'm switching to larger diameter mechanicals.

There's no disputing the fact that it worked. The deer died and was recovered. But I prefer large blood trails and wounds that put down deer fast. Hunting some suburban areas and some thick swamps, the further a deer runs, the higher my chances of running into complications.
I know that there are people that swear by Mechanicals. I have killed many deer and hogs with mechanicals but the first time something “weird” happens, like hitting a deer well and not getting a blood trail, the first thing you’ll do is question whether the broadhead failed. It’s been my experience (totally anecdotal) that mechanicals do not result in faster recovery or better blood trails. If you ask any blood tracker, upwards of 8 out of every 10 deer they track was shot with a mechanical head. I believe Shane Simpson on YouTube even tracked this with his blood tracking dog. I also know this for a fact because I asked my blood tracker when I shot the biggest buck of my life with a G5 Havoc and never recovered the deer. I’m convinced that the same shot with a high integrity and sharp fixed head would have resulted in a dead deer. Just my two cents.


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