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Daisy Chain Tether??

Letemgrowitllshow

Letemgrowitllshow

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Wondering what peoples thoughts are on the idea of using a daisy chain as a tether. My thought would be to girth hitch it around the tree then pick whichever spot (below the girth hitch obviously) for a caribeaner and clip your bridge into the beaner.

It would be more difficult to adjust, but maybe just have a second caribeaner to move up or down a spot on the daisy chain and clip into bridge, then remove other caribeaner.

My thought is that a the daisy chain could be made from webbing or amsteel?? It would be less bulk and less weight. Would it still be a safe option?? I'm thinking so because you would be removing a prusik or ropeman (one less thing to fail?) and clipping straight to the daisy chain.

I could be way off on this but I thought I'd put it out there and see what everyone else's thoughts are on it. Obviously safety is #1. If it aint safe its a no go for sure. But if it is safe, I hardly adjust my tether once I'm settled in, so why not go with something that is less bulk.
 
Amsteel is typically not preferred for tether by most because its integrity is compromised by rubbing up against bark and excessive fraying. I think some guys use webbing though. I havent seen a daisey chain webbing used for tether....so other guys can weigh in on whether that is a safety issue.
 
Been using 1/4” amsteel as a tether for years with no problems. Use a 3/16 amsteel prusik. To each their own. I like it’s strength and packability....tried a ropeman and wasn’t a fan.


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I use a 1/4” amsteel daisy chain as a backup tether to get around limbs on the way up the tree. Once at hunting height it’s used as my gear hanger. I use the kestrel adjustable rope tether at hunting height.


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It's what I use tube webbing climbing grade. sew an extra piece of strap in the hitch end.
 
I am planning to use DC as gear hanger, and will possibly use as backup tether as well, BUT...
There are a couple of really good videos if you choose a webbing DC on how to properly load the loops with carabiner.


Just ran into these today, if they help.
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
I am planning to use DC as gear hanger, and will possibly use as backup tether as well, BUT...
There are a couple of really good videos if you choose a webbing DC on how to properly load the loops with carabiner.


Just ran into these today, if they help.
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Thanks for posting those videos. From the vidoes, it makes it sound like you dont want to trust the interior loops for life support.

The guy in the first video says that the stiching that makes up the interior loops is only rated for a couple hundred pounds.
 
Did a little digging and this is what I have found so far.

On dutch gears' website they sell daisy chain webbing. It says that its rated to 5000lb. and 2000lb. for "individual loops". When I read "individual loops" it makes me think that would be the interior loops. Did the math (actually google did the math) and 2000lb. is equivalent to nearly 8.9KN. (Refer to screenshots)

If any of that is wrong or I am misinterpreting anything please point it out. I still wouldn't trust just the interior loop to catch me in the event of a fall. I'd clip in the tag end of the daisy chain so that if all those interior loops were to break, you'd still be caught by the rated loop on the end of the daisy chain.
 
Letemgrowitllshow said:
Did a little digging and this is what I have found so far.

On dutch gears' website they sell daisy chain webbing. It says that its rated to 5000lb. and 2000lb. for "individual loops". When I read "individual loops" it makes me think that would be the interior loops. Did the math (actually google did the math) and 2000lb. is equivalent to nearly 8.9KN. (Refer to screenshots)

If any of that is wrong or I am misinterpreting anything please point it out. I still wouldn't trust just the interior loop to catch me in the event of a fall. I'd clip in the tag end of the daisy chain so that if all those interior loops were to break, you'd still be caught by the rated loop on the end of the daisy chain.
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Keep in mind the DC you refer to is woven, not stitched, so what would a failure on an interior loop look like? On a stitched nylon, as long as you are clipped in properly, the inner loops could possibly fail in sequence until you reach the end. On a woven DC, it likely will fail completely at that loop and any hookup below it is irrelevant. Just think through all possible scenarios before you use this to hang from.

John H., Hickory, NC

Keep your nose to the wind, and your eyes along the skyline.
 
Letemgrowitllshow said:
Thanks for posting those videos. From the vidoes, it makes it sound like you dont want to trust the interior loops for life support.

The guy in the first video says that the stiching that makes up the interior loops is only rated for a couple hundred pounds.
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No doubt. I got caught in a daisy chained rabbit hole last night lol
 
Bwhana said:
Keep in mind the DC you refer to is woven, not stitched, so what would a failure on an interior loop look like? On a stitched nylon, as long as you are clipped in properly, the inner loops could possibly fail in sequence until you reach the end. On a woven DC, it likely will fail completely at that loop and any hookup below it is irrelevant. Just think through all possible scenarios before you use this to hang from.

John H., Hickory, NC

Keep your nose to the wind, and your eyes along the skyline.
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Thanks for pointing that out.
 
Most guys on here have experimented with daisy chain tethers and moved away from them. Myself included. Some guys like them, but the vast majority do not. In my view, you're better off with a good strong rope and a prusik or ropeman.
 
It's not as easy as a prusik or ropeman but once i'm tied in I feel good about the safty part. I use a bina in a loop , run the end through the bina twice and tie it, then run a piece of prusik rope through a couple of loops above bina and through bridge (in case the bina fails) and tie. I'm more worried about the tree falling than the system failing.
 
I'm experimenting with the now discontinued woven daisy chain lately. Not seeing any stress or wear when I use it as a tether and bounce around on it a lot.. but if I did, I'm looking at two options:

1. Go back to actual rope. I already have a handful of ropeman 1's. Oplux would probably be my rope choice - see doublesteps.com
2. Something like a Sterling Chain Reactor - but find a longer version of it. Each loop in that is rated at 22kn separately, but it maxes out at 60 inches from what I've found so far, and I'm sure its strength is lowered by girth hitching multiple runs together to extend it.
 
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