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Heavy arrows

Holy crap, I thought that was a joke. This is something I am literally going to shoot into the ground and might not get back. I WISH I had the extra money to spend on those, I wouldn't, just wish I had that money!
That is almost $1000 every time you pull the trigger, and you thought 338 Lapua was expensive to shoot.
 
Camelcluch said:
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You know you need some Bishop in your life.
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What in the holy disposable income h-e-double-hockey-sticks is that?

But also, interesting they are "serrated" I thought that was a cheap broadhead gimmick, but am somewhat under-informed. I thought the heavy broadhead crew preferred cut on contact single bevel/slice through so they didn't know what hit em designs?
 
Bishop is legit. The arrows are crazy tough and the heads are amazing. BUT ( <<notice it’s big), the price is insane and the owner maybe be as well. He has a notice of copyright on top of his page that pretty much sounds like he want to sue everyone.
 
Today I shot my Vertical Crossbow with Cutthroat Single Bevel Broadheads. I've been working on these for about a week. I found that my bow likes 300 spine carbon arrows that I cut to 22". Total arrow weight 522 gns, that's with a 150 gn insert and 150 gn point. Today I put on 150 gn single bevel and shot them and OMG these shoot awesome! So I will touch up the heads and put them away until the season comes around.
 
Camelcluch said:
Bishop is legit. The arrows are crazy tough and the heads are amazing. BUT ( <<notice it’s big), the price is insane and the owner maybe be as well. He has a notice of copyright on top of his page that pretty much sounds like he want to sue everyone.
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If I had a high-dollar once-in-several-lifetimes African safari I'd spent years saving for, I'd probably tip my arrows with Bishops, as a means of protecting the investment in the entire experience. For pretty much any other hunting situation I can imagine, they're not worth it. I'm happy that somebody is pushing the limits of material and design and all that, don't get me wrong, but dude seems a bit bonkers.
 
rutjr said:
I'm just curious how far is everyone shooting? Unless I was at a field edge I think I would have a hard time trying to thread a bolt anymore than 30 yards through the woods that I hunt. I don't think that I could see a deer clear enough over 40 yards in the wood around here. I have a practice tree in the woods that I have five targets around from 15 to 30 yards. that 30 yarder is difficult to see at times.

I had this friend (Joe) he was a gun hunter and wanted to extend his season so he asked me to help him out with bowhunting which I did. This was when the compound first came out, a long time ago. Joe has killed more deer than any person I know he was an awesome hunter. We took a week and went bowhunting in the Berkshires of Massachusetts, the state we lived in. He ended up shooting his whole quiver of arrows and asked me to help him find his deer so we went to to the spot. He stayed where he took the shots from and guided me to where the deer were. When I got to the spot I couldn't believe it. He was a good 70 to 80 yards from the deer when he emptied his quiver. We couldn't find and arrow, deer or blood. I asked him why he took such a long shots? He said you can't hit them if you don't shoot at them! LOL!
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The first crossbow buck I ever shot was last year and it ranged at 36 yards. I almost lost my opportunity but he was slighly quartering away when I stopped him. I had a three dot red dot on the crossbow I was using at the time and I put the top dot just at top of his shoulder. It dropped about 6 or so inches going in on the buck’s right side just above the crease of the “elbow” he went 40 yards and piled up. I was using the heavy Carbon Express Piledriver bolts pushing a NAP 100gr. Spitfire. Drove that mech. right through that buck.
 
Oh yeah, the CP serve a functional purpose. At least for me. Not every sight is built to be dragged through the mountains. That is why Spot Hogg and Black Gold are extremely popular out west. However, many arrows can be used in the harshest environments. I guy I worked for shot the African big 5 with cheap arrows. Not to mention there are some extremely tough arrows out now. Day Six are beasts and there is a guy on YT shooting GT pierce platinums into cinder blocks. Go high at $275 dozen for those set ups and Bishop is $2000 for 3 arrows not set up.
 
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Camelcluch said:
Bishop is legit. The arrows are crazy tough and the heads are amazing. BUT ( <<notice it’s big), the price is insane and the owner maybe be as well. He has a notice of copyright on top of his page that pretty much sounds like he want to sue everyone.
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Shawn, the owner of Bishop is a extremely nice guy. I bought a 100 gr test head Holy Trinity from Bishop last year. First doe I shot with it, she was hard quartering away and it came out through her dense shoulder socket. She only went 30 yards and piled up. Naturally I was excited to see what the head looked like, and to my dismay the blades got bent up pretty good. Not mangled but bent. Admittedly my Vapor 470s speeds are definitely extra stress on any broadhead. The pics of that bent head and doe exit:20221005_222254_compress96.jpg
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Shawn talked to me about my setup and said I should have definitely tried the 200 gr Trinity since they're so much beefier. He replaced my 100 gr with the 200gr completely free and our conversation was informative to say the least. We spoke on all the metals he's tried, what designs he tried and failed on, why his heads are so much etc.
So I caved and bought a 3 pack of the 200s.
First impressions of them we're not good. They were pretty dull out of the box, and all 3 gad machining marks along the blades. Thankfully they were easy to sharpen up.
But what I'm getting at is my first deer with the 200s was a simply broadside hit. Blew right through and landed in soft ground. The the tip got rolled right off and the 1 edge got completely chewed up. So thats 0 for 2 of bishops surviving my crossbow.
Damaged edge and rolled tip:
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I’ve never had a problem putting down big mature deer just using standard weight arrow rigs in my crossbows. About 420-440 grain total weight. Speeds between 300-400fps depending on which crossbow I’m using. Broadside, quartering away, quartering too, doesn’t matter. 9 out of 10 deer crash either in sight or within ear shot. The remaining 10% don’t go past 100yds, so still a short track job. Just need to put that arrow through the vitals. That’s the key. Doesn’t really matter how heavy your arrows are when using modern crossbows, so long as you stick them in the boiler room. And in well over a decade of shooting crossbows like that, I’ve only had one single shot that wasn’t a complete pass through. Broadhead lodged in his opposite side shoulder and stopped on a quartering to shot. But still went completely through the vitals And that buck still only ran 50 yds before crashing. I just can’t wrap my head around why people think they need heavy arrows for crossbows. Probably because it gets all hyped up on YouTube and social media.

That said, heavy arrows certainly do offer a lot of benefit when shooting compound or trad bows with lower speed/power.
 
No. Not for a crossbow. I take advantage of the higher speeds and flat trajectory and also use mechanicals with my crossbow. Vertical regular bow yes, I want a heavier arrow and COC head.
 
I use 550ish grain arrows out of my Vapor 470. My scope is set to 400fps, and doing the math it should be a tad under that. My bucks farside shoulder stopped a mechanical head dead in its path last season. No more mechanicals for me
 
bigmike23 said:
I use 550ish grain arrows out of my Vapor 470. My scope is set to 400fps, and doing the math it should be a tad under that. My bucks farside shoulder stopped a mechanical head dead in its path last season. No more mechanicals for me
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What mechanical were you using? What COC are you using for your Xbow?
 
woodsdog2 said:
What mechanical were you using? What COC are you using for your Xbow?
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Swat TI 4 blade. It's my far the most popular head used on Xbow Nation. It's another head that's great when you hit soft stuff. There's too much blade to reliably go through bone.
I shoot both Bishop Holy Trinity 200s and Tuffhead SB 200s now
 
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