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Kick out

Weldabeast

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That term gets used a whole lot around here.... What exactly is a "kick out"?
What causes "kick out"?
Is "kick out" exclusive only to climbing sticks?

What makes 1 stand off "better" than another to alleviate "kick out"?
 
I had a stick dislodge and move a little further down the trunk a handful of times....each time was from advancing my "carry as u climb" aider and the foot loop caught the stick and applied upward pressure. Admittedly I've never owned any pre manufactured climbing sticks but I've probably tried them all at the saddle demo stuff over the years. I made 3 or 4 iterations of diy sticks. Some with made by me stand off and some repurposing name brand stand off. I never tried those sticks with sharpened bolts for stand off but I bet they work real good

Where is the video that was going around for a little of a short roundish guy climbing a telephone pole and had a stick mishap on camera and kinda fell right at ground level?
 
The bracket design isn't as important as the method you use to attach the stick. I don't think it's possible to kick out a stick that's been truckers hitched. It feels cemented to the tree. Daisy chains using them as intended are dangerous imo and asking for trouble. Way too much slack in the line. Standard buckle straps work great stealth stripped as long as you don't mind the bulk
 
So are we using "kick out" because of lack of a better term? If I hear that term I think some big drastic/dramatic event.
 
Kick out is when your stick dont stay stuck. Cause is operator error. Stands can kick out too. Again usually operator error.
I think the “operator error” part is what many fail to mention. Not saying some designs aren’t better than others, there are plenty of greats and not so greats out there. But as you stated, a majority of the issue is user error.
 
There are a lot of factors that can lead to “kick out” where the stick becomes unseated and unexpectedly shifts from it’s intended position. A wonky shaped tree that doesn’t allow for both brackets to fully seat, not getting the stick seated down properly, a loose attachment method, such as daisy chains, too much side pressure, slick barked tree, etc., etc. etc.. There are things you can do to minimize it. I prefer shorter sticks, two steps as opposed to the longer 3 step sticks, as they tend to get a better purchase in my experience, especially on trees with abnormal shapes. Pulling out on the bottom of the stick and firmly downward at the same time can also help seat the stick better, especially on smooth barked trees. Using a daisy chain in the “truckers hitch” setup really locks them tight to the tree, even more so than a single rope and cam cleat can.

Kick out can certainly rattle your nerves as it’s never expected. But if you have your tether properly above your shoulders with a good connection, you’ll just get jostled a bit without any major injuries. If your tether is below your waist as you see so many one-stickers doing, then you’re going for a bit of a drop and shock with greater potential for injury, especially as you drop down onto that stick that was supposed to be supporting you.
 
I think the traditional definition of “kick out” is when the bottom standoff of a stick is not tight enough it will dislodge and swing left or right when side pressure is applied. It happens primarily in sticks because the strap attaches to the upper third of the stick which transfers more tension to the top standoff than the bottom. As some people have pointed out, daisy chains used in the intended purpose are notorious for causing kick out because you almost never have that perfect loop and have to set your stick looser that you should. This means you have to pull your stick down much further and now your daisy chain is attached to the tree above your top standoff and your bottom standoff is barely hanging on. Also you’ll note it’s very easy to lift the bottom standoff from the tree which.

The only safe way to keep that standoff in place is force either straight down or straight into the tree, but all sticks have steps that are offset from the middle. When you put your weight on that step it makes the stick want to swing left or right and if your bottom standoff isn’t seated properly that’s exactly what it’s going to do.


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