Layering

[LASOutdoorsmen]

Hey Saddlers(not quite sure if that's a word),
Share how you layer throughout the season. It would benefit us all when looking for new clothing.
Early season(65°-80°) :
Light weight coveralls
Early - Mid season(55°-70°) :
Light weight coveralls +light weight baselayer +light weight head cover
Mid Season (45°-60°):
Light weight coveralls +light weight base layers +pullover jacket +light weight head cover
LATE season <45°:
Mid weight and light weight baselayers +fleece jacket and pants +face mask

 

[jhicks54]

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Early season(65°-80°) :
My leafy suit over whatever I'm wearing in/out. Usually cargo pants and a lightweight merino wool base layer shirt (short or long sleeves depending on high temp). Rarely do I wear rain gear at these temps.

Early - Mid season(55°-70°) :
Same as above except I'll throw on an Under Armour hoody, and maybe thicker socks. I have Red Head Squaltex bibs and jacket, so I'll wear that if it's raining or really windy.

Mid Season (45°-60°):
Same as above except I'll wear merino wool midweight base layer top/bottom and thicker socks. I may also use my First Lite gaiter/beanie/gloves. Also use my Squaltex in rain/wind.

LATE season <45°:
Same as above, except I use my Arctic Shield bibs and parka instead of Squaltex. I still use the First Lite accessories. I also use a fleece handmuff, hand warmers, 1200 gram rubber boots, and heavyweight merino wool socks.

I've worn this system down to 0° with little discomfort (and I'm from Florida). The key is to do final layering at the tree, use merino wool for base layers, and keep your feet dry. I put my jacket on once I'm all settled in the tree.

 

[redsquirrel]

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Scentlok facemask always. May add something that can drop away over it if it is really cold.

Early season(65°-9-0°) :
Lightweight scentlok long sleeve shirt and pants, scentlok shooter gloves, scentlok ball cap and then scentlok facemask go on in the tree. My lightest rubber boots.
Early - Mid season(50°-65°) :
Same as above, but I will add a merino wool baselayer if it is in the lower end of the range. I will probably pack a rocky fleece vest in to the stand and put it on at some point during the evening.
Mid Season (35°-50°):
Depending on how cold and or rainy: Merino wool base layers every sit now. I wear my light weight scentlok throughout the entire season so I just add/remove layers. I have cabelas polar fleece which is pretty warm. The vest comes in every sit. Rivers west rain gear or cabelas mt050 if its raining. This year I started wearing the wool baselayer, light weight scentlok, vest and just my cabelas mt050 cold weather coveralls down to around freezing for 1/2 day sits and that was working pretty nice. Rubber pac boots or ll bean pac boots depending on length of sit.
LATE season <32°:
Wool cap. All of the layers above, except depending on how cold and the length of the sit i will now wear my cabelas stand hunter extreme coveralls. For shorter sits if its not too cold I'll still wear the mt050 coveralls. LL bean pac boots.

I also use a hand muff from anything below about 55 and down. I wear the same light shooters gloves all season and depending on how cold I can add hand warmers in.

 

[LASOutdoorsmen]

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Scentlok facemask always. May add something that can drop away over it if it is really cold.

Early season(65°-9-0°) :
Lightweight scentlok long sleeve shirt and pants, scentlok shooter gloves, scentlok ball cap and then scentlok facemask go on in the tree. My lightest rubber boots.
Early - Mid season(50°-65°) :
Same as above, but I will add a merino wool baselayer if it is in the lower end of the range. I will probably pack a rocky fleece vest in to the stand and put it on at some point during the evening.
Mid Season (35°-50°):
Depending on how cold and or rainy: Merino wool base layers every sit now. I wear my light weight scentlok throughout the entire season so I just add/remove layers. I have cabelas polar fleece which is pretty warm. The vest comes in every sit. Rivers west rain gear or cabelas mt050 if its raining. This year I started wearing the wool baselayer, light weight scentlok, vest and just my cabelas mt050 cold weather coveralls down to around freezing for 1/2 day sits and that was working pretty nice. Rubber pac boots or ll bean pac boots depending on length of sit.
LATE season <32°:
Wool cap. All of the layers above, except depending on how cold and the length of the sit i will now wear my cabelas stand hunter extreme coveralls. For shorter sits if its not too cold I'll still wear the mt050 coveralls. LL bean pac boots.

I also use a hand muff from anything below about 55 and down. I wear the same light shooters gloves all season and depending on how cold I can add hand warmers in.

To what temperature (factor in a slight wind please) is your lightweight scentlok and heavyweight baselayers good to?

 

[redsquirrel]

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To what temperature (factor in a slight wind please) is your lightweight scentlok and heavyweight baselayers good to?

For an afternoon sit, one layer under neath down into the 60s. Easily down into the 50s though if I just add another layer as necessary.

 

[LASOutdoorsmen]

Anybody use chaps over early season gear for outer layer protection? I think that's what I'm going to do this coming season

 

[Matty]

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Don't take this wrong, but I laughed when I saw <45* late season. lol That's shorts and tshirt weather, I'm hoping for a heat wave like that right now. lol....
So I'm going to assume LA stands for Louisiana.

Realistically what I do will be of no help to you because I'm "well insulated" and I sweat when it's -10. BUT....I usually just wear my cabelas fleece jacket and pants with a thin pair of polypros in 35-45* temps. Very comfortable like that. I'll wear the fleece vest too if it's dipping a little lower. Below that can change a lot. I will start bringing more layers to add and remove as the temps get to me, depends on the moisture in the air and the wind too, sometimes it's just raw out. Once it's below 0 I just wear everything. lol

Actually I do have a tip that might help you. I usually only break this out for the really cold sits, but I have a belt with pouches sewn on it. Wear it around your kidneys and when you are done walking in, put handwarmers in the pouches. Warming your kidneys really helps keep you warm.

Not sure what you would need chaps for. Burrs/thorns? I may not understand, but I feel like field pants/chaps might make too much noise for deer hunting. I try to stick with fleece, wool, and other dead silent clothes.

 

[LASOutdoorsmen]

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Don't take this wrong, but I laughed when I saw <45* late season. lol That's shorts and tshirt weather, I'm hoping for a heat wave like that right now. lol....
So I'm going to assume LA stands for Louisiana.

Realistically what I do will be of no help to you because I'm "well insulated" and I sweat when it's -10. BUT....I usually just wear my cabelas fleece jacket and pants with a thin pair of polypros in 35-45* temps. Very comfortable like that. I'll wear the fleece vest too if it's dipping a little lower. Below that can change a lot. I will start bringing more layers to add and remove as the temps get to me, depends on the moisture in the air and the wind too, sometimes it's just raw out. Once it's below 0 I just wear everything. lol

Actually I do have a tip that might help you. I usually only break this out for the really cold sits, but I have a belt with pouches sewn on it. Wear it around your kidneys and when you are done walking in, put handwarmers in the pouches. Warming your kidneys really helps keep you warm.

Not sure what you would need chaps for. Burrs/thorns? I may not understand, but I feel like field pants/chaps might make too much noise for deer hunting. I try to stick with fleece, wool, and other dead silent clothes.

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If it's below 20 I have no business being outside. As my dad would say "those deer will be there tomorrow,you can wait." my late season gear is just a hair to bulky for climbing trees after a long walk. It's also not weatherproof, so I'm looking for a new suit. If I could find a Scentlok Thundertek Cyclone bib that would be great. I'd like to stay in the saddle more comfortable during the cold winter days.

 

[Matty]

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Oh yeah, I actually noticed that on one of your youtube videos you posted once before. Sorry I forgot. lol

I don't know anything about that suit, but staying warm in those temps should be relatively easy with very little bulk.

My best advice to you is to concern yourself with the under layers the most (unless your current cold weather gear is mostly bulky outer garments). I honestly think the undergarments are the most important factor in staying warm. They need to wick very well. The tiniest amount of moisture is the enemy of staying warm. Fortunately there are a lot of good base clothes out there these days that are thin, lightweight and wick like crazy.

I also would suggest carrying most of your outer layers in and dressing near the tree or even at the tree. It's the best way to avoid sweating. I actually like to be cold on my walk in, not freezing, but a brisk feeling like I'm slightly under dressed for the temps even when moving and definitely cold when standing still. That keeps me sweat free and WARM once I finally add my outer layers.

Remember too, nothing should be too tight. Tight clothes can slightly restrict blood flow which in turn makes you cold. It also doesn't allow room for warm air pockets to build up. This is especially important in footwear.

Good luck getting it sorted out, let us know if you get that bib.

 

[LASOutdoorsmen]

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Oh yeah, I actually noticed that on one of your youtube videos you posted once before. Sorry I forgot. lol

I don't know anything about that suit, but staying warm in those temps should be relatively easy with very little bulk.

My best advice to you is to concern yourself with the under layers the most (unless your current cold weather gear is mostly bulky outer garments). I honestly think the undergarments are the most important factor in staying warm. They need to wick very well. The tiniest amount of moisture is the enemy of staying warm. Fortunately there are a lot of good base clothes out there these days that are thin, lightweight and wick like crazy.

I also would suggest carrying most of your outer layers in and dressing near the tree or even at the tree. It's the best way to avoid sweating. I actually like to be cold on my walk in, not freezing, but a brisk feeling like I'm slightly under dressed for the temps even when moving and definitely cold when standing still. That keeps me sweat free and WARM once I finally add my outer layers.

Remember too, nothing should be too tight. Tight clothes can slightly restrict blood flow which in turn makes you cold. It also doesn't allow room for warm air pockets to build up. This is especially important in footwear.

Good luck getting it sorted out, let us know if you get that bib.

Matty,
Thanks for sharing that really helps a lot.
My only dilemma is carry stuff. I don't want to make every hunt an expedition. I really like to go in my bow in my hands. I have molle pouches around my saddle with small gear. That's it. I tried packing a jacket in a pack once but having to get rid of the bag one in the tree was a chore.
It's like the more I learn, the more complicated hunting gets. I remember when I was boy, I'd just throw on some coveralls and go put some meat on the ground. As I became more sophisticated, I found myself bringing extra gear hunt by hunt.
Saddle hunting to me means simplicity at its peak. I do work up a sweat from time to time, but I feel like my carbon lined clothing should control the odor.
Now I'm get serious about layering and I'm learned
Outer-layer over fleece over baselayer=Warmth. All I think is bulk. If I could find a mid layer with weatherproof(ASAT or Vertigo camo) features I'd be happy. That's hard to find though.

 

[fawnzy]

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Anyone using a heated vest?


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[redsquirrel]

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Anyone using a heated vest?


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No but I would like to try one sometime.

 

[redsquirrel]

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Similar to what Matty said, I walk in very light. Like I said before I wear my light weight scent lok all season. Even if Its around freezing, I walk in with just my merino wool baselayer with my light weight scent lok over it. Typically at the base of the tree I will put on my coveralls or whatever is necessary (I try to limit it to 1 more layer plus my vest, otherwise it gets to be too much). That is why I've gone to different weight coveralls. I understand what you're saying about the bulk, but you just get used to it, its not that bad. I just strap my coveralls to the back of my backpack and wear them in that way. The few extra minutes that the whole process takes is well worth it to me because it makes for a more comfortable hunt. I am dry and warm and can focus on hunting rather than staying warm.

I will also take my boots off and add another layer of socks and toe/foot warmers if necessary.

 

[LASOutdoorsmen]

How do you guys layer your lower body? I've read body heat isn't lost as fast in your legs as it is in your upper body. I've noticed that over the years. I sweat pretty quick if I'm wearing leg base layers that are the slightest bit heavy for the weather.

 

[redsquirrel]

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How do you guys layer your lower body? I've read body heat isn't lost as fast in your legs as it is in your upper body. I've noticed that over the years. I sweat pretty quick if I'm wearing leg base layers that are the slightest bit heavy for the weather.

For me its one base layer top and bottom, then my light scent lok top and bottom, then most likely a vest or another fleece on top, then whichever coveralls I'm using.

 

[LASOutdoorsmen]

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How do you guys layer your lower body? I've read body heat isn't lost as fast in your legs as it is in your upper body. I've noticed that over the years. I sweat pretty quick if I'm wearing leg base layers that are the slightest bit heavy for the weather.

For me its one base layer top and bottom, then my light scent lok top and bottom, then most likely a vest or another fleece on top, then whichever coveralls I'm using.

Okay, cool. So you dress light to your tree. I may go simulate a hunt now and see how I like it.
I just struck a pretty nice deal on ebay for some nice late season outwear. I got a new Scentlok Hot Shot jacket and a new Scentlok Full Season bib. The Jacket has 150grams of lightweight insulation, and like the bibs it has a fleece inside. I pretty excited because the both are lined with their carbon alloy elements. In addition, both are pretty much waterproof and windproof. I may be able to wear the bib to my stand, but if I don't I'll just layer with the following :
Scentlok midweight baselayers
Scentlok Exocore jacket(had this for a while, just now realizing it's the perfect midlayer )
Scentlok Savanna pants.

I guess I'll pack the jacket and bibs in my Bowbat.
Sounds like a winner?