I got my new saddle, and am getting other equipment ready. I went to sports store , and found 2 kinds of climbing sticks . one sat tight to the tree like my 4 ladder sets do, and one sat 6 in. out from tree, (muddy), and I realized they formed a 6x6 platform. They are square tubular steel, so I took a 12x12 in piece of ply, drilled and bolted it on the top of one of the sticks, Being square, they seated very well. when I strap the 3 together, the one with the platform goes on top, and they are good to go, with 3 in. more on either side, and 6 more out front