Saddle Assassin
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Here is a link to some very fine Camo, it seems the deer look at you in and can't pick you out for nothing.
www.predatorcamo.com
www.predatorcamo.com
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Scent Lok is making a Full Season suit in Predator Brown for 2014.
John
John
Saddle Assassin
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That should sell nice, I have found that scentlok not worth the money, if the wind is not right he has you pegged.
Nice to see you come over to the sight, we spoke a few years ago when I bought my saddle, I bought all of your books and DVDs.
Nice to see you come over to the sight, we spoke a few years ago when I bought my saddle, I bought all of your books and DVDs.
Saddle Assassin said:
I have to disagree with you Jeremy. Since I first read one of John's books I have become a huge fan of scentlok. I only know of 1 time in the past 4 or 5 seasons that I have been winded, and that was during the rut last season when a buck came in while I had my bag of granola bars and chocolate open (1:15 pm). I felt the wind hit the back of my head and he stopped on a dime and went back the way he came. I'm positive he whiffed my chocolate. I have had so many other deer downwind and crossing my footpaths that I am convinced that scentlok and a scent control routine work. The buck I shot last season was straight downwind of me and he never caught my scent. There is a lot that you can do and it can be overwhelming when you are first starting. I try to incorporate 1 new method of scent control into my routine each year to make it a habit. Last year I bought the big airtight storage containers (exact same as the scentlok one but I got 4 for $160) and started using them instead of just regular Rubbermaid containers.
Maybe I will add a scent control forum since scent control can be such a controversial topic :lol:
Saddle Assassin
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I am not starting a match on it, but all the deer I killed was when I was not wearing it.
You no this topic has been covered over and over on HB and sometimes when u think it is down wind the thermals or something else is change the wind , plus he can only smell one stream at a time.
I sold all of mine, I think durning the rut it does not really matter anyway.
You no this topic has been covered over and over on HB and sometimes when u think it is down wind the thermals or something else is change the wind , plus he can only smell one stream at a time.
I sold all of mine, I think durning the rut it does not really matter anyway.
Saddle Assassin said:
I'm not starting a match on it either. It is one of those topics that no matter what everyone is not going to agree on it. I have killed deer with it and without it, and in the end hunting is about having fun and you have to do what makes you happy
Saddle Assassin
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I agree, but on that note I also makes you a sloppy hunter, I will say it prob does help but I don't think it is enough to pay that price. I have used wood smoke and I do think that does help, but there again all that stuff takes to much time and money and I found that doing all of that takes the fun out of it.
Saddle Assassin said:
Exactly. Whatever anyone chooses to do is up to them. If it is scent control or playing the wind, so be it
Saddle Assassin
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Great that's over with and everyone is happy. No long drawn out fights over stupid things is what will keep this site going well.
Saddle Assassin said:
Exactly. I have no intentions on having fights with anyone...
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and to do what they want.
This site is intended to share new ideas, advice and just as a general place for saddle users to talk
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Anyone that says activated carbon doesn't work should to do some homework and Google activated carbon to see how many industries and governments worldwide use the technology.
I never ever pay attention to the wind and never get winded. Scent Lok is not a magic bullet however and few hunters know how to properly care for it and what to use in conjunction with it, and unfortunately they get winded and blame it on the suit. Whether it works or not is not up for discussion with me. I bow hunted 36 seasons without Scent Lok technology and the last 14 seasons with it and it definitely works.
Anyone that says activated carbon doesn't work should to do some homework and Google activated carbon to see how many industries and governments worldwide use the technology.
I never ever pay attention to the wind and never get winded. Scent Lok is not a magic bullet however and few hunters know how to properly care for it and what to use in conjunction with it, and unfortunately they get winded and blame it on the suit. Whether it works or not is not up for discussion with me. I bow hunted 36 seasons without Scent Lok technology and the last 14 seasons with it and it definitely works.
I got a Scent Blocker suit In 98 I believe. I hunt 40-60 days a season. I went six seasons with out hearing a deer snort or having one smell me that I know of.
Hell I quit paying attention to the wind all together. The majority of the deer I killed were down wind. At the time I had 2 properties that were loaded with deer and I killed the snot out of 'em! I cant even remember how many doubles and triples I killed out of big groups of deer that were down wind with no clue I existed.
The best one a triple out of a group of does and fawns that came in from down wind and stayed down wind all the while. I can still see 3 adult does with their noses in the air straining to get a whiff of me. It was in the mid 80's and I was sweating my butt off!
Im not sure what has changed but when that one started to fail I bought a new Scent Blocker suit and I can say with all certainty it does not work remotely close to the original I had.
Thinking I'll buy a Scent Lok this time.
Hell I quit paying attention to the wind all together. The majority of the deer I killed were down wind. At the time I had 2 properties that were loaded with deer and I killed the snot out of 'em! I cant even remember how many doubles and triples I killed out of big groups of deer that were down wind with no clue I existed.
The best one a triple out of a group of does and fawns that came in from down wind and stayed down wind all the while. I can still see 3 adult does with their noses in the air straining to get a whiff of me. It was in the mid 80's and I was sweating my butt off!
Im not sure what has changed but when that one started to fail I bought a new Scent Blocker suit and I can say with all certainty it does not work remotely close to the original I had.
Thinking I'll buy a Scent Lok this time.
When I was younger I would kill deer ground hunting wearing my uncles used up cami pants from when he was in the Corp and a red flannal shirt or blue jeans and a flannel. All bow kills. I don't think I knew much about playing the wind. I just got lucky a lot.now I put myself in more situations that push the envelope and I have used scent lock for awhile and I've gotten away with stuff that defies logic. But I play the wind and use it. If it helps just a little I'm going to use it to my advantage. I do follow a regime. whatever. I don't use pee in a bottle very rarely call and hunt pressured land. Id rather have a solid understanding of an area through scouting to know where that big buck sleeps -where I can get in clean -catch that animal completely off guard- and put a slick trick through its heart and get super stoked! If the stuff helps and in theory it should I'm in. This is coming from a guy that hates all things commercial I just want quality gear that works.
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I'll be happy to start a match on the topic of activated carbon lined suits and their effectiveness. I hunted for 36 years without using a Scent Lok suit and 14 years with it and for any hunter to argue its effectiveness is not only a waste of their time, it shows they have done no research on the technology of activated carbon. Whenever there is a new scent adsorption, eliminating, or cover up technology brought into the hunting market, take my word for it, it was not developed by the hunting manufacturer that brought it to market.
The average R & D cost to a pharmaceutical company to bring a single FDA approved drug to market is around 2 billion dollars and most hunting companies are in the 5 to 70 million dollar a year annual gross bracket and simply can't afford scientists and or a sophisticated R & D department.
Any technology that actually works (and many in the hunting industry don't) for molecular adsorption, killing bacteria, molecular containment in the form of blocking, or an anti-microbial, was researched and developed for a much larger and far more sophisticated worldwide market industry than our little hunting industry. The hunting industry simply piggybacks on the technologies that were developed by other industries and governments worldwide.
Personally I never believe any advertisements from any manufacturers, any of the bloviating endorsements spewed by the so-called hunting experts that get paid to endorse them, or anything on any manufactures website, including Scent Lok's, when it comes to hi-tech scientific technology. Manufacturers and hunting personalities can and do lie and their is no hunting advertising police that hands out tickets for lying or false advertising.
This is where a little research by the hunter questioning any technology should come into play. All anyone has to do is simply Google the technology to see if it actually exists and if it does; how many other worldwide industries, hospitals, restaurants, governments, etc. use it, how it is used, and what does it do, and how effective is it when compared to similar technologies used for the same purposes.
Google activated carbon and you will find it is the most adsorbent substance know to man.
Scent Lok was sued for false advertising by a few Minnesota hunters that got winded and while extremely expensive to defend, it ended up being a blessing in disguise for any hunters willing to take off their blinders and look at what the outcome was. For a United States District Court, an independent lab at Rutgers University proved beyond a preponderance of a doubt that Scent Lok’s clothing worked as advertised.
The following paragraph was taken directly from Court’s final ruling.
-Expert scientific testing found that, using highly elevated odor concentrations that were “likely ten thousand fold greater than a human body could produce in the course of 24 hours”, Scent Lok carbon lined clothing blocked or adsorbed 96 to 99 plus percent of odor compounds, and essentially 100% of surrogate body odor compounds.
Activated carbon is used in literally thousands of industries worldwide for filtration, purification, storage, and molecular adsorption applications and when Googled here are a few of the hundreds of uses for it:
Gas purification, decaffeination, gold purification, metal extraction, drinking water purification, refrigerant gas adsorption, sewage treatment, every countries chemical warfare suits, by NASA in primary life support systems better known as space suits, gas masks, water softeners, paint respirators, filters in compressed air, volatile organic compound capture, dry cleaning processes, automobile filtration systems, gasoline dispensing operations, groundwater remediation, to adsorb radon for testing air quality, for oral ingestion in hospitals worldwide to treat overdose patients, in intensive care units to filter harmful drugs from the bloodstream of poisoned patients, to adsorb mercury emissions from coal power stations and medical incinerators, to filter vodka and whiskey of organic impurities, and by the US Dept. of Energy to store natural and hydrogen gas.
Just as; NASA, auto industry, U. S. Dept. of Energy, hospitals, and every Dept. of Defense in the world didn’t pull activated carbon out of a hat and say, hey let’s use this stuff, neither did Scent Lok.
Microscopic evaluations show that if all the surface areas of the primary, secondary, tertiary pores, and exterior surface of each particle of activated carbon were flattened and laid on a flat surface:
-A tablespoon of activated coconut carbon particles (activated carbon Scent Lok uses) has a surface area of just over 3 ½ football fields.
-And one pound of activated carbon particles (a small butter tub) has a surface area equal to that of approximately 100 acres (more than a half mile in length and a quarter mile in width).
Here's the kicker and the main reason many hunters say Scent Lok's activated carbon lined suits don't work. A suit is not magic and the many hunters that owned them and got winded, had no clue how to properly care for them and what to do in conjunction with them to have a total scent free regiment.
Carbon lined clothing requires very specific care and absolutely must be used in conjunction with a carbon lined headcover with drop down facemask, carbon gloves, knee high rubber or neoprene boots, and a frequently washed fanny or backpack.
Some ifs: If you; exclusively use scent eliminating sprays, wear face paint to look cool like the TV and video so-called experts do, wear a favorite logo ball cap like the TV and video guys do, don’t regularly wash your pack in scent free detergent and store it in an air tight container, don’t wear clean rubber or neoprene knee high boots, or if you wear regular gloves when ascending trees, you should definitely “hunt the wind” because your scent regiment is not perfect and perfect is a must when hunting mature whitetails.
Of course there will always be that guy that says, hey I killed a lot of deer without a scent free regiment. Cavemen also killed dinosaurs with spears and Indians killed with stick bows and wooden arrows. I also killed well over 100 deer with my bow before activated carbon technology was introduced into the hunting marketplace, but I have always been willing to check out anything new and take full advantage of it if it works and I feel totally naked in the woods with a properly cared for Scent Lok suit.
My willingness to look at every new hunting item is also what led me to use an Anderson Treesling in 1981. At first I hated it because it was different and uncomfortable, but I saw the huge advantages it would bring me if I altered it for my personal use. I have been using a harness system ever since and think conventional stands of any type are archaic and outdated.
If anyone would like me to forward them a guide in how to properly care for activated carbon lined clothing, go to my website at: http://www.deer-john.net and e-mail me your request.
The average R & D cost to a pharmaceutical company to bring a single FDA approved drug to market is around 2 billion dollars and most hunting companies are in the 5 to 70 million dollar a year annual gross bracket and simply can't afford scientists and or a sophisticated R & D department.
Any technology that actually works (and many in the hunting industry don't) for molecular adsorption, killing bacteria, molecular containment in the form of blocking, or an anti-microbial, was researched and developed for a much larger and far more sophisticated worldwide market industry than our little hunting industry. The hunting industry simply piggybacks on the technologies that were developed by other industries and governments worldwide.
Personally I never believe any advertisements from any manufacturers, any of the bloviating endorsements spewed by the so-called hunting experts that get paid to endorse them, or anything on any manufactures website, including Scent Lok's, when it comes to hi-tech scientific technology. Manufacturers and hunting personalities can and do lie and their is no hunting advertising police that hands out tickets for lying or false advertising.
This is where a little research by the hunter questioning any technology should come into play. All anyone has to do is simply Google the technology to see if it actually exists and if it does; how many other worldwide industries, hospitals, restaurants, governments, etc. use it, how it is used, and what does it do, and how effective is it when compared to similar technologies used for the same purposes.
Google activated carbon and you will find it is the most adsorbent substance know to man.
Scent Lok was sued for false advertising by a few Minnesota hunters that got winded and while extremely expensive to defend, it ended up being a blessing in disguise for any hunters willing to take off their blinders and look at what the outcome was. For a United States District Court, an independent lab at Rutgers University proved beyond a preponderance of a doubt that Scent Lok’s clothing worked as advertised.
The following paragraph was taken directly from Court’s final ruling.
-Expert scientific testing found that, using highly elevated odor concentrations that were “likely ten thousand fold greater than a human body could produce in the course of 24 hours”, Scent Lok carbon lined clothing blocked or adsorbed 96 to 99 plus percent of odor compounds, and essentially 100% of surrogate body odor compounds.
Activated carbon is used in literally thousands of industries worldwide for filtration, purification, storage, and molecular adsorption applications and when Googled here are a few of the hundreds of uses for it:
Gas purification, decaffeination, gold purification, metal extraction, drinking water purification, refrigerant gas adsorption, sewage treatment, every countries chemical warfare suits, by NASA in primary life support systems better known as space suits, gas masks, water softeners, paint respirators, filters in compressed air, volatile organic compound capture, dry cleaning processes, automobile filtration systems, gasoline dispensing operations, groundwater remediation, to adsorb radon for testing air quality, for oral ingestion in hospitals worldwide to treat overdose patients, in intensive care units to filter harmful drugs from the bloodstream of poisoned patients, to adsorb mercury emissions from coal power stations and medical incinerators, to filter vodka and whiskey of organic impurities, and by the US Dept. of Energy to store natural and hydrogen gas.
Just as; NASA, auto industry, U. S. Dept. of Energy, hospitals, and every Dept. of Defense in the world didn’t pull activated carbon out of a hat and say, hey let’s use this stuff, neither did Scent Lok.
Microscopic evaluations show that if all the surface areas of the primary, secondary, tertiary pores, and exterior surface of each particle of activated carbon were flattened and laid on a flat surface:
-A tablespoon of activated coconut carbon particles (activated carbon Scent Lok uses) has a surface area of just over 3 ½ football fields.
-And one pound of activated carbon particles (a small butter tub) has a surface area equal to that of approximately 100 acres (more than a half mile in length and a quarter mile in width).
Here's the kicker and the main reason many hunters say Scent Lok's activated carbon lined suits don't work. A suit is not magic and the many hunters that owned them and got winded, had no clue how to properly care for them and what to do in conjunction with them to have a total scent free regiment.
Carbon lined clothing requires very specific care and absolutely must be used in conjunction with a carbon lined headcover with drop down facemask, carbon gloves, knee high rubber or neoprene boots, and a frequently washed fanny or backpack.
Some ifs: If you; exclusively use scent eliminating sprays, wear face paint to look cool like the TV and video so-called experts do, wear a favorite logo ball cap like the TV and video guys do, don’t regularly wash your pack in scent free detergent and store it in an air tight container, don’t wear clean rubber or neoprene knee high boots, or if you wear regular gloves when ascending trees, you should definitely “hunt the wind” because your scent regiment is not perfect and perfect is a must when hunting mature whitetails.
Of course there will always be that guy that says, hey I killed a lot of deer without a scent free regiment. Cavemen also killed dinosaurs with spears and Indians killed with stick bows and wooden arrows. I also killed well over 100 deer with my bow before activated carbon technology was introduced into the hunting marketplace, but I have always been willing to check out anything new and take full advantage of it if it works and I feel totally naked in the woods with a properly cared for Scent Lok suit.
My willingness to look at every new hunting item is also what led me to use an Anderson Treesling in 1981. At first I hated it because it was different and uncomfortable, but I saw the huge advantages it would bring me if I altered it for my personal use. I have been using a harness system ever since and think conventional stands of any type are archaic and outdated.
If anyone would like me to forward them a guide in how to properly care for activated carbon lined clothing, go to my website at: http://www.deer-john.net and e-mail me your request.
John posted this information over in the scent control forum as well. I have made it a sticky in case anyone is looking for an easy reference in the future.