• The SH Membership has gone live. Only SH Members have access to post in the classifieds. All members can view the classifieds. Starting in 2020 only SH Members will be admitted to the annual hunting contest. Current members will need to follow these steps to upgrade: 1. Click on your username 2. Click on Account upgrades 3. Choose SH Member and purchase.
  • We've been working hard the past few weeks to come up with some big changes to our vendor policies to meet the changing needs of our community. Please see the new vendor rules here: Vendor Access Area Rules

Down South Hunting podcast

kelly.jayp

kelly.jayp

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 23, 2017
Messages
1,473
Location
Charlotte, NC area
They are running a 3 part series comparison of Dan Infalt and John Eberhart scent control regimens. Part 1 is out

Sent from my SM-T377V using Tapatalk
 
Listened to it. Interesting to see 2 successful hunters that approach it from different angles. I will say John Eberhart would do himself a favor to take never and always out of his vocabulary. :) I think he could learn some from Dan about bedding..... Interesting listen.

Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk
 
Putting ideas from both together might make us better. One plus one might equal three


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
pilgrimhunter said:
Listened to it. Interesting to see 2 successful hunters that approach it from different angles. I will say John Eberhart would do himself a favor to take never and always out of his vocabulary. :) I think he could learn some from Dan about bedding..... Interesting listen.

Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I just think John is passionate about his approach to hunting and his method is tried and true. We all know second guesses our stand location or entry in, is a terrible way to sit in a tree. He believes in his decisions and kills big bucks in heavily pressured areas every year. If I could spend a month w one hunter and soak up the knowledge, it would be John.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Jefferson10940 said:
I just think John is passionate about his approach to hunting and his method is tried and true. We all know second guesses our stand location or entry in, is a terrible way to sit in a tree. He believes in his decisions and kills big bucks in heavily pressured areas every year. If I could spend a month w one hunter and soak up the knowledge, it would be John.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
John definitely knows how to kill mature deer. I could learn a lot from that man. Wasn't trying to say he is not a good hunter. Just thought he could come across a little more humble and open to other trains of thought. I haven't read his books but would love too. They are on my list to buy sometime.. But hey I am not the hunter he is so I still listen to what he has to say.

Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk
 
pilgrimhunter said:
John definitely knows how to kill mature deer. I could learn a lot from that man. Wasn't trying to say he is not a good hunter. Just thought he could come across a little more humble and open to other trains of thought. I haven't read his books but would love too. They are on my list to buy sometime.. But hey I am not the hunter he is so I still listen to what he has to say.

Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
The books are great. He has also been on W2H twice and Big Bucks Registry podcasts. I learn something each time

Sent from my SM-T377V using Tapatalk
 
Thanks for posting the podcast! I was just trying to say that John has been hunting for over 40 years and it sounds like he was willing to try anything over the years including wearing a shower cap into the woods lol. So I think he is "set in his ways" but only after trying everything and anything to try to kill his target bucks.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Jefferson10940 said:
Thanks for posting the podcast! I was just trying to say that John has been hunting for over 40 years and it sounds like he was willing to try anything over the years including wearing a shower cap into the woods lol. So I think he is "set in his ways" but only after trying everything and anything to try to kill his target bucks.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
I wish I lived closer to do one of his new workshops - I'd probably be amazed at how much I do wrong LOL

Sent from my SM-T377V using Tapatalk
 
I listened to round 1. Very interesting how two very successful whitetail hunters can have such a different views on scent and it's influence on hunting success.
 
huck72412 said:
I listened to round 1. Very interesting how two very successful whitetail hunters can have such a different views on scent and it's influence on hunting success.
Click to expand...
I think combining both theories is the best bet for me. I will be looking for milk weed next time I am in the woods. I like the air current theory and of course I am a fan of scent control So combine both makes sense to me. Try to control scent as much as possible and check the wind and air current to see what it is doing. But I will not be hunting in my work clothes and I will not ignore the wind either.
 
I listened to all 3 parts of the podcast as well and I will say this. There is no doubt that Dan and John are both successful whitetail hunters. They both have their own ways of doing things that seem to work for them and others. But... while there's no doubt that Dan is killing his share of big bucks on public land as well you can't tell me that his success couldn't improve with implementing some of Johns scent control techniques. There is no way he doesn't get winded by mature deer down wind of him on occasion. Just my .02
 
I agree @DaveT1963 . The biggest difference between the 2 imo besides Dans bedding style is while Dan focuses only on having the wind not push his scent towards any of the particular buck beds he's hunting on a given day, John has a severe phobia ( in a good sense) of ANY deer, target or not, blowing his chances
 
The big takeaway for me is how much work both guys put into it. They each found a system that works, and they RELENTLESSLY work their process. They don't stray. They don't waver. They don't try new things. Early in their careers they were trying new things in order to develop their system, but once they locked on, it didn't change much.

I believe your success as a hunter is directly related to how fast you learn, and how hard you work. At the same time, a hunter must be realistic about what "success" means in the area. If my definition of success is to kill a P&Y every year, I'm going to be a loser most years in Southern GA.

If I lived in parts of the midwest, a P&Y every year would be a realistic goal.
 
g2outdoors said:
The big takeaway for me is how much work both guys put into it. They each found a system that works, and they RELENTLESSLY work their process. They don't stray. They don't waver. They don't try new things. Early in their careers they were trying new things in order to develop their system, but once they locked on, it didn't change much.

I believe your success as a hunter is directly related to how fast you learn, and how hard you work. At the same time, a hunter must be realistic about what "success" means in the area. If my definition of success is to kill a P&Y every year, I'm going to be a loser most years in Southern GA.

If I lived in parts of the midwest, a P&Y every year would be a realistic goal.
Click to expand...
Since I first read bowhunting pressured whitetails all those years ago I have liked John's suggestion of attempting to target mature bucks for your area, whether you put that at 2.5 or 3.5 year olds. I have shot what I consider a mature deer in this area, 3.5 years old, every year since 2009, and in 2015 I shot 2. I have had a lot of them aged by deerage.com. The 2 that I suspect were 6.5 or 7.5 I was not able to get the teeth aged. Both of them weighted over 175# dressed. None of these deer have antlers that break 100 inches. We have deer with big antlers around but if I were to hold out just for them I would not get a buck very often.
 
Johnboy80 said:
I agree @DaveT1963 . The biggest difference between the 2 imo besides Dans bedding style is while Dan focuses only on having the wind not push his scent towards any of the particular buck beds he's hunting on a given day, John has a severe phobia ( in a good sense) of ANY deer, target or not, blowing his chances
Click to expand...


and the best way would probably be to implement both systems. I.e. watch were your scent goes and minimize as much scent as possible. I don't have the time to be able to implement John's scent control regime or I would try a lot of it - I do always consider the wind and do my best to give myself wind advantage. I wear rubber boots and I shower. I also spray down my saddle and hat with scent killer 9anyone that doesn't think the sprays kill some odors hasn't smelled some of my old sweaty hats before and after I spray them.

In the end - use what works for you. If there is one thing almost 4 decades of bowhunting has taught me is that an "expert" may or may not have any more knowledge, skills, or abilities then the average hunter (I haven't met one that can leap tall buildings, out run a speeding train or stop a bullet with no bodily harm, etc...).... but they believe in what they do and execute their plan. I guarantee you that if John or Dan came down to Texas and hunted our pressured public land deer they would have very few bucks, if any, that meet P&Y minimum. Location has a ton to do with success rates on mature bucks.... as does gun season length, herd structure, availability of hunting lands, etc...
 
One thing I've learned is if you hunt around the same group of people and same places you usually fall in a rut of learning and continue to interpret the woods and sign the same.
You step out the box and hunt new areas and meet new people, you broaden your knowledge and experience. Like anything with life, associate yourself with successful people and you will become more successful. Associate with bums, people will perceive and treat you as a bum and you will become a bum. That's what I tell my kids anyway.
 
swampsnyper said:
One thing I've learned is if you hunt around the same group of people and same places you usually fall in a rut of learning and continue to interpret the woods and sign the same.
You step out the box and hunt new areas and meet new people, you broaden your knowledge and experience. Like anything with life, associate yourself with successful people and you will become more successful. Associate with bums, people will perceive and treat you as a bum and you will become a bum. That's what I tell my kids anyway.
Click to expand...

Very true. My grandfather used to always tell me "if you lay down with dogs, you get fleas". It stuck with me. That's why I try to stay away from @huck72412 @Maustypsu and @essdub :tonguewink::tonguewink::tonguewink::tonguewink:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top