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Why do I fall apart at distance?

Petrichor said:
In addition the people I’ve known to struggle with target panic struggle at all distances not a particular distance. When I see someone shoot good groups at 15 yards like that and all over the place at 20 l, I’ll admit my first thought is definitely not target panic.
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I think what people are missing is that he is shooting instinctive at 15 yds and using an aiming method at the longer distances where he is falling apart. Only falling apart on the shots that you are trying to hold a reference point on the target is what screams target panic.

I also agree that many times these threads can be more negative then positive, especially for a newer Trad archer because all of the different advice becomes overwhelming and trying to think about or change multiple things at once often leads to more and different problems. With that said, short of seeking the advice from a single person I don't know that there is a better option, "figuring it out on your own" usually doesn't work either.
 
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redsquirrel said:
Ok @Red Beard you inspired me. Home for some family time this afternoon so I took out my recurve and tossed a few arrows out there. I haven't shot it since the spring so I was pretty happy to hit the 16 x18 target every time at 15 yards :)
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Uh oh, it's started. Now I'm feeling like I might not be the only one carrying a recurve in Sika camp next year. @Bigterp your next. ;)
 
GCTerpfan said:
Uh oh, it's started. Now I'm feeling like I might not be the only one carrying a recurve in Sika camp next year. @Bigterp your next. ;)
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We’ll see. It’s definitely fun to shoot in the yard. I have a hard enough time making good shots with a compound sometimes though. There is a reason I’m such a good blood trailer… it’s called experience.
 
I agree. Giving advice over the phone can't take the place of in person coaching.
I'm in the Milwaukee area and I approach people as possible at the range that I see are off the map.
I risk being turned away which rarely happens but helping a struggling fellow is important to me.
I want people to stay in our sport.
We are losing numbers every year.
The thing we all agree on is practice but its clear there is division.
I will continue to help out at the park but not in writing.
Its not good for the forum if a question can't be asked without people that posting comments that stir the pot a bit.
I am not instinctive but I have shot my gap so long it feels like it is.
I always see the arrow but never look at it.
I use string alignment as taught by Jim Ploen and after practicing it long enough its a natural move, not mechanical.
I have never blank bailed ever but I have used a form master.

We all subscribe to different gurus.
Fred Asbel is not one of mine.
He stated at Compton some 20 odd years ago he doesn't even see the arrow. What a hoot.
Try Jimmy Blackmon instead every day of the week.
Good luck Fellas.
 
Bigfoot522 said:
I agree. Giving advice over the phone can't take the place of in person coaching.
I'm in the Milwaukee area and I approach people as possible at the range that I see are off the map.
I risk being turned away which rarely happens but helping a struggling fellow is important to me.
I want people to stay in our sport.
We are losing numbers every year.
The thing we all agree on is practice but its clear there is division.
I will continue to help out at the park but not in writing.
Its not good for the forum if a question can't be asked without people that posting comments that stir the pot a bit.
I am not instinctive but I have shot my gap so long it feels like it is.
I always see the arrow but never look at it.
I use string alignment as taught by Jim Ploen and after practicing it long enough its a natural move, not mechanical.
I have never blank bailed ever but I have used a form master.

We all subscribe to different gurus.
Fred Asbel is not one of mine.
He stated at Compton some 20 odd years ago he doesn't even see the arrow. What a hoot.
Try Jimmy Blackmon instead every day of the week.
Good luck Fellas.
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I agree that in person coaching is best but, I don't think that not asking questions and not giving advice online is the answer. It's more just a warning that the person asking the question needs to understand. There are several different and effective ways to shoot a recurve. If you start mixing and matching it can get ugly quick. That's why I recommend online courses like Tom Clums or Jimmy Blackmons, it's the next best thing to an in person coach.

Also just an observation regarding your comment about people staying in the sport (and related to that it's growth). @redsquirrel and @Bigterp can confirm we ran into as many or more Trad archers when we were hunting Sika on public land a few weeks ago as we did compound archers. It was a pleasant surprise.
 
GCTerpfan said:
I agree that in person coaching is best but, I don't think that not asking questions and not giving advice online is the answer. It's more just a warning that the person asking the question needs to understand. There are several different and effective ways to shoot a recurve. If you start mixing and matching it can get ugly quick. That's why I recommend online courses like Tom Clums or Jimmy Blackmons, it's the next best thing to an in person coach.

Also just an observation regarding your comment about people staying in the sport (and related to that it's growth). @redsquirrel and @Bigterp can confirm we ran into as many or more Trad archers when we were hunting Sika on public land a few weeks ago as we did compound archers. It was a pleasant surprise.
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That is a pleasant surprise.
 
I had the same issue of once I got to 20 I as a right hander would consistently shoot left. The problem wasnt anything mentioned in this thread that I saw but I went through it pretty quick. My issue was grip and shoulder alignment. Finally I decided to rotate my grip in to the riser slightly. This did two things, it got my bow hand in better alignment with the bow and second it allowed me to get my shoulders into better alignment at full draw. I was getting to the point that much more than 20 shots in a round would cause upper shoulder/low neck pain on my bow arm side. Since making that minor grip change no more pain and no more left shots when I do my part.
 
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