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Can you build a 1.3 pound stick

sdonx said:
Ontariofarmer- How about filling the hockey stick with a plastic/ starboard or carbon spacer or even filling with epoxy just in the space with the holes. May be stronger and lighter than the flange nuts and washers?
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I have thought of epoxy and I do believe your are correct and that might be my next step. I think then it would work well with lone wolf stand offs and drop the weight by close 150 g... Lone wolf stand off weigh 88 g I think and muddy 160 g. That would put you in the 1.25 pound range plus the epoxy.
I really want a custom stand off made for a hockey stick. I think that could rock.
Epoxy with an aluminium spacer may be the way to go.

Especially if you use lighter rope and titanium 1/4 bolts.
 
g2outdoors said:
Maybe I missed something.

You have a stick with a 700lb limit, that can be assembled at home, weighs 1.3 lbs, and it's almost finished the testing phase???

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I don’t think they have assembled or tested it yet? They were waiting on standoff’s? That is the shear weight of the aluminum pop rivets they are using I think. Which is believed to be the weak link on their stick?


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sdonx said:
Ontariofarmer- How about filling the hockey stick with a plastic/ starboard or carbon spacer or even filling with epoxy just in the space with the holes. May be stronger and lighter than the flange nuts and washers?
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I am only on version one of the hockey stick. I may be trying to put folding steps on the hockey stick and then doing things like you suggest to keep the weight down.
 
Just for poops and giggles I have been trying to find titanium to see how much it would cost to swap an aluminum tube for titanium..... does anyone make titanium square tubing? It’s some hard stuff to find.


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IkemanTX said:
Just for poops and giggles I have been trying to find titanium to see how much it would cost to swap an aluminum tube for titanium..... does anyone make titanium square tubing? It’s some hard stuff to find.


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I looked the other day after you mentioned it when I met you at Saddle Palooza. I have not had any luck, only round tubing. I was curious to see what the cost difference would be and how light you could actually get.

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denots said:
I looked the other day after you mentioned it when I met you at Saddle Palooza. I have not had any luck, only round tubing. I was curious to see what the cost difference would be and how light you could actually get.

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Alibaba has some, but I can’t find decent sizes listed on them. I also don’t really trust buying a product from them that is in China....


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IkemanTX said:
Just for poops and giggles I have been trying to find titanium to see how much it would cost to swap an aluminum tube for titanium..... does anyone make titanium square tubing? It’s some hard stuff to find.


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Have not found any.
 
g2outdoors said:
Maybe I missed something.

You have a stick with a 700lb limit, that can be assembled at home, weighs 1.3 lbs, and it's almost finished the testing phase???

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Standoff are going to be in a day or to with testing after that. The pop rivets are just a back up we’re are using lone wolf hardware on the steps and standoff’s. The step design is twice the width of the any other steps I know of beside the one made of tubing. Which makes standing on the a lot easy on your feet. Yes you can make them at home with some simple tools and elbow grease. @FayetteKong made a diy verse button for amsteel that weights 8 grams that’s riveted on but that a user preference thing.


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ImThere said:
I don’t think they have assembled or tested it yet? They were waiting on standoff’s? That is the shear weight of the aluminum pop rivets they are using I think. Which is believed to be the weak link on their stick?


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700 lbs is a the shear strength of just the rivet without the washer on the back which spreads out the load it may even be more. The weak link on the stick is going to be plastic deformation in the tubing or the tubing is going to bend until it hits the tree if you were to actually put 700 lbs on the stick. We are not relying on the rivets at all except for his diy verse button which is his choice.


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20ftup said:
700 lbs is a the shear strength of just the rivet without the washer on the back which spreads out the load it may even be more. The weak link on the stick is going to be plastic deformation in the tubing or the tubing is going to bend until it hits the tree if you were to actually put 700 lbs on the stick. We are not relying on the rivets at all except for his diy verse button which is his choice.


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The washer does not, will not increase the shear strength of a rivet, bolt or anything else. It will increase the tear out pressure which means it will take more pressure to pull the rivet out of the aluminum with the washer than with out. If you were putting the river in steel instead of aluminum the washer wouldn’t do anything. I understand you are using the rivets for back up.

working load and shear strength are not equal

Y’all just be careful during testing

What are you using plastic for?


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ImThere said:
The washer does not, will not increase the shear strength of a rivet, bolt or anything else. It will increase the tear out pressure which means it will take more pressure to pull the rivet out of the aluminum with the washer than with out. If you were putting the river in steel instead of aluminum the washer wouldn’t do anything.
What are you using plastic for?


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These steps are not to be advertised at being rated for 700lbs. I seen people questioning the design and I what to set others at ease by posting some rating of the materials. Plastic deformation is a metallurgy term referring to metal being deformed under stress in this case it is where the standoff’s and step bolts meet the tubing.


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20ftup said:
These steps are not to be advertised at being rated for 700lbs. I seen people questioning the design and I what to set others at ease by posting some rating of the materials. Plastic deformation is a metallurgy term referring to metal being deformed under stress in this case it is where the standoff’s and step bolts meet the tubing.


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I understand. But now you see my point about clarification. Sometimes we mean well and people don’t check in to things and think we have sticks you can hang a 700 lbs engine from.
Not saying that has happened or will happen on this site but I have seen it on other sites.


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Good discussion guys! Too often things get confused through internet writing and what we think their “saying”, lol.

20’ up and Fayettekong appreciate the input and testing you’re adding to this DIY discussion!

Like others I’m on the sidelines cheering all you guys on (BH15, Imthere, Ontario, Red, etc...) you guys rock.

I have a saddle on order, a Klemz platform built, and now through this discussion deciding on what route to go with climbing system.

Thanks
 
Are most of you wanting the ultralight sticks going to be using multi step aiders or just the sticks?
 
EricS said:
Are most of you wanting the ultralight sticks going to be using multi step aiders or just the sticks?
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For me I would choose davet moveable aider. It would be wise to have two on you just in case you drop one your not in a bad situation.


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20ftup said:
Standoff are going to be in a day or to with testing after that. The pop rivets are just a back up we’re are using lone wolf hardware on the steps and standoff’s. The step design is twice the width of the any other steps I know of beside the one made of tubing. Which makes standing on the a lot easy on your feet. Yes you can make them at home with some simple tools and elbow grease. @FayetteKong made a diy verse button for amsteel that weights 8 grams that’s riveted on but that a user preference thing.


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Those standoffs come in last week for you guys? Did you guys get a chance to do any testing? How's that riveted versa button?

Cheers
 
They just came in today actually lone wolf was waiting on a shipment I’m taking them to work with me tomorrow night I have one stick ready for testing just have to bolt the standoffs on I’m going to try to test them out Monday
 
FayetteKong said:
They just came in today actually lone wolf was waiting on a shipment I’m taking them to work with me tomorrow night I have one stick ready for testing just have to bolt the standoffs on I’m going to try to test them out Monday
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Whoohoo!


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