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Best type of ropes for tree tether and linemans

drpike22 said:
Seems to be some serious disagreement on this topic. After speaking with the owner of Screamers fall arresting devices, I just add a Screamer Shorty in between my bridge and tether. The owner of Screamers said that even if it does not fully deploy it will lessen the shock to a safe degree. He said he has sold many to saddle hunters that are concerned about possible injury from a fall. It also will not deploy when you just hang, swing or bounce slightly. This is just my experience and opinion.
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Really what owner of screamers? Yates? DMM? I have an email from a “screamer” manufacturer (DMM wales rep named Holly Lindrop to be exact) that literally says screamers are not designed to work in our usage and are not recommended. They are to reduce force on the ANCHORS when there are long dynamic runs with less than ideal multi anchor points.. Can I have the number and name of the company/owner you spoke with? If I can get his recommendation in writing, a I will post it here… In fact DMM wales says the stitching will start to break away or weaken with any dynamic loading event (a slight bounce from a 220 lbs person….) the screamer idea has been harped on and debated many many times on here.
 
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Oh ...I was just trollin.didnt notice my new dudes where here.or i would have been as cottling as the beard is.didnt even read all the posts.just jumped in clownin...on the real tip all roads lead to 2tc., dont fall,and why would you want a stretchy rope.i mean actualy think about it for just a second and you will get it.
 
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I feel Like i need to do the samcirrus jump on a break away expandable safety lanyard.to Show that the stitches wont even rip to expand and stretch.you have to free fall like 5 feet to break thread.even i dont know how to mess up that bad doing what we do in any configyeration. Some people say safety first.i say confidence first.then saftey is a given.in the video sam is taking a 2 foot Fall in a rig i sewed in my dinning room. And the threads dont break......does that make sence.or am i just Mr grumpy.some just have an un realistisc idea of what could happen.nothing wrong with that.but your energy could be spent worrying about things that could realy hurt you .....like climbing stix.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Really what owner of screamers? Yates? DMM? I have an email from a “screamer” manufacturer (DMM wales rep named Holly Lindrop to be exact) that literally says screamers are not designed to work in our usage and are not recommended. They are to reduce force on the ANCHORS when there are long dynamic runs with less than ideal multi anchor points.. Can I have the number and name of the company/owner you spoke with? If I can get his recommendation in writing, a I will post it here… In fact DMM wales says the stitching will start to break away or weaken with any dynamic loading event (a slight bounce from a 220 lbs person….) the screamer idea has been harped on and debated many many times on here.
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When I originally called Yates Screamer Co. I spoke with an employee, he said I should should speak with the owner. Later that day I received a call from a person at Yates that that identified himself as the owner. I have no way to verify his position at the company. We discussed my intended application for a Yates Shorty Screamer.
His reply is paraphrased in my original post. I believe that there are many different opinions and possible uses regarding various products. I am including the website address for Yates Screamers so that those interested can do there own research and make an informed decision. I am not encouraging anyone to use any product or technique that they are not comfortable with. We must decide what best fits our needs as individuals. Stay safe to all.
www.yatesgear.com

Screamers

Shock absorbing sling designed to reduce peak loads in any climbing system(CLICK HERE TO READ) SCREAMER, SHORTY, ZIPPER & SCREAM-AIDS Specifications and examples of use.
www.yatesgear.com www.yatesgear.com
 
drpike22 said:
When I originally called Yates Screamer Co. I spoke with an employee, he said I should should speak with the owner. Later that day I received a call from a person at Yates that that identified himself as the owner. I have no way to verify his position at the company. We discussed my intended application for a Yates Shorty Screamer.
His reply is paraphrased in my original post. I believe that there are many different opinions and possible uses regarding various products. I am including the website address for Yates Screamers so that those interested can do there own research and make an informed decision. I am not encouraging anyone to use any product or technique that they are not comfortable with. We must decide what best fits our needs as individuals. Stay safe to all.
www.yatesgear.com

Screamers

Shock absorbing sling designed to reduce peak loads in any climbing system(CLICK HERE TO READ) SCREAMER, SHORTY, ZIPPER & SCREAM-AIDS Specifications and examples of use.
www.yatesgear.com www.yatesgear.com
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Thank you for the response, when you use it, are you one stick climbing or are you using it as your tether attachment point where it’s constantly loaded? I could see a benefit in a screamer if it was on a separate hitch above our tether connection point where it’s not weight except as a secondary fall (similar to how it would be activated in a rock climbing course). But even then saddles aren’t made to fall in, nor are they safe to fall in because they won’t keep you upright and they don’t spread the load across multiple areas similar to a full body harness with a dorsal anchor. So really we are trying to add ways to make it not hurt as badly when truthfully the real answer is what @tailgunner said- just don’t fall or at the very least keep your slack distances to an absolute minimum so that your “fall” won’t be far enough to generate injury inducing forces.

I will email Yate’s contact us and inquire about one stick climbing on static line where the fall distance can be anywhere from 2 to 3 feet with a fall factor greater than 1.5 (when guys climb above their tether point) and also inquire about using it as the connection point between your tether and saddle bridge where it would be constantly weighted. Then I will post their reply.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Thank you for the response, when you use it, are you one stick climbing or are you using it as your tether attachment point where it’s constantly loaded? I could see a benefit in a screamer if it was on a separate hitch above our tether connection point where it’s not weight except as a secondary fall (similar to how it would be activated in a rock climbing course). But even then saddles aren’t made to fall in, nor are they safe to fall in because they won’t keep you upright and they don’t spread the load across multiple areas similar to a full body harness with a dorsal anchor. So really we are trying to add ways to make it not hurt as badly when truthfully the real answer is what @tailgunner said- just don’t fall or at the very least keep your slack distances to an absolute minimum so that your “fall” won’t be far enough to generate injury inducing forces.

I will email Yate’s contact us and inquire about one stick climbing on static line where the fall distance can be anywhere from 2 to 3 feet with a fall factor greater than 1.5 (when guys climb above their tether point) and also inquire about using it as the connection point between your tether and saddle bridge where it would be constantly weighted. Then I will post their reply.
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I put the Yates Screamer between my bridge which is 1/4" amsteel and whatever belay/ascending device I am using. I always try to keep slack to a minimum and advance my tether as much as possible when climbing I use it for one sticking, 2-tether climbing with my saddle and connected between my rock climbing harness and tether when I am on my fixed, permanent platform. Thanks for your reply. Enjoy the day.
 
The break away stitched lanyards don't make much sense in our applications. Anybody who worked in construction long enough has seen falls on these things....I've witnessed a fatal fall with 1 and a full body harness....and another thing for somebody like me who doesn't climb very high in the tree now I gotta facture in the extra length of the screamer or I could hit the ground before it even fully deploys....
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Thank you for the response, when you use it, are you one stick climbing or are you using it as your tether attachment point where it’s constantly loaded? I could see a benefit in a screamer if it was on a separate hitch above our tether connection point where it’s not weight except as a secondary fall (similar to how it would be activated in a rock climbing course). But even then saddles aren’t made to fall in, nor are they safe to fall in because they won’t keep you upright and they don’t spread the load across multiple areas similar to a full body harness with a dorsal anchor. So really we are trying to add ways to make it not hurt as badly when truthfully the real answer is what @tailgunner said- just don’t fall or at the very least keep your slack distances to an absolute minimum so that your “fall” won’t be far enough to generate injury inducing forces.

I will email Yate’s contact us and inquire about one stick climbing on static line where the fall distance can be anywhere from 2 to 3 feet with a fall factor greater than 1.5 (when guys climb above their tether point) and also inquire about using it as the connection point between your tether and saddle bridge where it would be constantly weighted. Then I will post their reply.
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The flipping upside down factor makes me wounder.is it better to fall strait through up to your armpits like a coastguard rescue and be upwright without legstraps.or flip giving your head Momentum and leverage for a knockout or worse compared to stuffing your chest into the tree?now go test it guys!
 
tailgunner said:
The flipping upside down factor makes me wounder.is it better to fall strait through up to your armpits like a coastguard rescue and be upwright without legstraps.or flip giving your head Momentum and leverage for a knockout or worse compared to stuffing your chest into the tree?now go test it guys!
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This is why the backup friction hitch tied into the linesman belt for rappel is sketchy to me ...if worst happens u would be flipped around and end up hanging really awkward for self rescue
 
Weldabeast said:
The break away stitched lanyards don't make much sense in our applications. Anybody who worked in construction long enough has seen falls on these things....I've witnessed a fatal fall with 1 and a full body harness....and another thing for somebody like me who doesn't climb very high in the tree now I gotta facture in the extra length of the screamer or I could hit the ground before it even fully deploys....
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You know that for the guys on the forum who work in construction these things are not questions.it all boils down to this.some people put on a safety harness and feel safe.some put one on and dont.
 
Weldabeast said:
This is why the backup friction hitch tied into the linesman belt for rappel is sketchy to me ...if worst happens u would be flipped around and end up hanging really awkward for self rescue
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I only climb trees i can wrap my arms and legs around so i can self rescue without gear.samcirrus old style of getting breakfast.but it seems like so many people are so eiger to fall on their redundant shockloading cobrabuckle legstraps.while tied at a central pivot point.
 
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tailgunner said:
Could you survive this? / HowNOT2
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Did you listen to the numbers when he got to the static lines….. on less than a 2:1 fall factor, a 200 lbs dummy (weight) generated 16 kN on the anchor and 9.8 kN (aka your body is broken) on the dummy end (weight). These numbers are important when people are discussing static ropes AND when using screamers… the numbers that a screamer reduces are always measured at the anchor point (because they are designed to reduce force at the anchors where the force is 1.5 to 2 times higher) meaning on your body they would reduce force by half their factory number or less depending on how quickly the stitches broke away… because you are on the weight end not the anchor point…. Just some more food for thought. I was interested in the fact he was using a gri gri plus at the bottom and he tied off the end but he explained he tied it off more than a fist length from the device so the rope could slide and stretch some before the knot stopped it. This would reduce the force on the gri gri, on the anchor and on the dummy some too by decelerating the stop. Gri gri and Madrock says we shouldn’t tie it off below the device but it’s good to see the devices used in the video didn’t completely break when the knot was 6 or 8” away from the device (a hitch wouldn’t slide the full 6 or 8 inches thus the force would be higher). Because I know you autoblock guys are gonna comment on it but the knot didn’t stop the rope until it hit the device, the friction hitch will slow or stop the rope long before it reaches the device.
 
tailgunner said:
I feel Like i need to do the samcirrus jump on a break away expandable safety lanyard.to Show that the stitches wont even rip to expand and stretch.you have to free fall like 5 feet to break thread.even i dont know how to mess up that bad doing what we do in any configyeration. Some people say safety first.i say confidence first.then saftey is a given.in the video sam is taking a 2 foot Fall in a rig i sewed in my dinning room. And the threads dont break......does that make sence.or am i just Mr grumpy.some just have an un realistisc idea of what could happen.nothing wrong with that.but your energy could be spent worrying about things that could realy hurt you .....like climbing stix.
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Lol, I have a new human drop test coming on Apexpredatoroutdoors (youtube) new quick release hitch that I've fallen in love with.
Gotta test EVERYTHING!
 
bfriendly said:
First off lemme congratulate you for reviving an old thread! F you start a new thread and ask a question that’s been asked before, someone just might bash you for that! Don’t sweat the folks that take for granted the unknown! Saddle hunting is a simple thing to do, but there is a lot to it! And you cannot afford to screw up or you’ll die or wish you had, possibly.
Learn to 1 stick, then rappel. You already have a stick you can use. Thank me later.
Your fingers should never have been underneath your lineman’s belt. Any rope, should flip up the backside of a tree easily as a lineman’s belt, especially after you were just leaning into it. Besides, It’s only touching half of the tree at any given time.
Your fingers should never be under your tether either, but that’s the one that some folks will get caught under. You could get stuck and have a super bad day. I recommend tether handles so you NEVER PUT YOUR FINGERS UNDER YOUR TETHER!
As far as the ropes go, most use a static rope and it doesn’t really matter so long as it is climbing rated along with everything else in the system you use. When shopping read the descriptions and a stiffer rope may be easier to use for a tether……It’s all personal preference after that.
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Thank you, appreciate the post.

Been doing this for a while but my boys recently started loving the saddle and I am simply trying to make sure im doing things right. Definitely gonna try the tether handles.... glad i checked back in to read, was a gamer in my youth and man i really hate the internet because of it.

but knowledge from those who walked before you is a beautiful thing, and the internet is great for it.

have a great rest of your day.
 
Samcirrus said:
Lol, I have a new human drop test coming on Apexpredatoroutdoors (youtube) new quick release hitch that I've fallen in love with.
Gotta test EVERYTHING!
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I've since switched over to the Maverick hitch to keep my rope thin and free of pretied knots that hinder pulling them up in DRT/SRT.
 
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