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Climbing rope for tree access

Boone0,
I wouldn't do that unless you needed over 50ft. Plus you will need a blunt. Too much power and hard to estimate a partial draw. I tried it once with a kid size fiberglass longbow and shot over two trees and my line got all tangled because I didn't have enough line so the arrow stopped and because of the 50 limbs it was laying across (too much friction) it wouldn't come to the ground. For this application a 10, 12, 14 oz. bag is fine. There are different techniques that can add a lot of height to your throw. I usually just sling it with 12-16 inches of drop.
 
And they do make slingshots for this application. I figured they would be more useful if you are trying to get higher than we are for hunting heights.
 
I've seen the technique where you lay the bag on a strip of fabric holding each end...just pull the ends apart sharply to launch.
 
I spent 12 hours in the Walkabout/Evolution this weekend. I got a doe with my recurve in the fist hour and a half. I used the rope climbing method. I started with a bridge made from a sling to climb, then switched over to the longer bridge once at height. Last night sitting in the camper, I fiddled around and instead of two bridges, I just pull my bridge all the way through the right cat paw and tie a figure 8 in it. I hook my carabiner and rig to it and when I get to the tie in, I un-weight the bridge, untie the fig 8, let out the slack and pull my rig tight....eezy peezy.
 
I will probably try that figure 8 out. I would like to have only 1 bridge if I can get away with it. All of my climbing equipment except my throw line/bag came in the mail this weekend so I hope to fool around with this tonight after I take care of some neglected yard work...
 
WD- What type of knots are you using? I'm going to start working on this system tonight. I guess for starters, what knot are you using to hook your delta link up to the climbing rope?
 
Thanks!

Fooled around with the set up last night and started to get comfortable with it. I set everything up on the ground and made sure it worked and I had it all right. I threw the rope over a branch in my backyard that was about 12 foot up and climbed up and rappelled down 3 times. AWESOME!!! AND FUN!!!!

Whisper of Death... you are on to something here! I am going to play around a little more at home and I can't wait to see how this works in a hunting situation!

I tied the figure 8 in my bridge rope to shorten it like you said and that worked well. The oval carabiner that I got is kinda tough to get through the ascender but that is my only complaint so far. I'm going to stop at REI after work today and see if they have any that will go through a little easier.

Thanks for sharing this method!
 
I just use a non locking dmm oval for the pulley attachment. Pulley goes in the double hole at the top of the ascender to lock rope in the ascender. Not much chance of it opening and it's not life support. OH....and I knew you would like it. If you get adept at this, you will never use sticks or anything else again.

When I first started, I had the foot loop way to short. I like mine long. I think around 4'. Shorter might be better for a hanging rope, but up against the tree, I like a long foot loop.
 
Whispers Death said:
11mm or 7/16" Static rope. Needs to be kernmantle.

Do you have any resources or can you explain why it needs to be kernmantle? I was doing some reading and understand why we want static rope.
 
Whispers Death said:
I just use a non locking dmm oval for the pulley attachment. Pulley goes in the double hole at the top of the ascender to lock rope in the ascender. Not much chance of it opening and it's not life support. OH....and I knew you would like it. If you get adept at this, you will never use sticks or anything else again.

When I first started, I had the foot loop way to short. I like mine long. I think around 4'. Shorter might be better for a hanging rope, but up against the tree, I like a long foot loop.

Yea I have a non locking oval, I think it is just the design of the one I bought. It fits through but it is tight and has to be at a certain angle to make it easy. No big deal. I can definitely see this being my primary system. We'll see how it goes! Its too bad some of the parks I hunt require you to use either sticks, steps or ladders!

I'll fool around with the foot loop. I was taking baby steps up the rope and away from the tree so i didn't need to use it too much.
 
Hello all, I am new to this website but not to rec tree climbing. I have been experimenting for the past several years on developing ways to access the trees for saddle type hunting. Your typical double rope system is fine if you have preset pull up lines over a branch-trying to throw an access line in the dark not so good. Anyway a typical system requires a length of arborist rope(highly suggested as single rope technique type rope has no shock absorbing qualities), a friction saver, a mechanical or accessory cord hitch and a foot ascender is nice but footlocking is also an option. You will also need at least 2 carabiners. Now they way I am developing doesn't require a branch and both systems you can rappel out. There are some techniques that should be mastered low before ever going aloft---please! My system is a single line technique that I use my stick/etrier for ascending then a rappel device for descending and I think offers more possibilities as far as tree access. Using a double rope system you are only moving half the weight but only advancing 1/2 the distance 1' through the ascender you only advance 6" up the rope while single line you feel your full weight while ascending but you get what you put in 1' of rope through the ascender =1' of vertical advance. I love climbing trees and hunting with a saddle type setup allows me to climb even more Yeah!
 
Just thought I would add my two cents here, I am also new to this forum but posted how I climb on ropes in the "old" tree saddle thread which I am glad to see has it's own forum now btw.

I have been climbing trees for ~5 years now, first 3 years professionally (2 as an arborist and 1 year building ropes courses and zip-lines) and the last 2 just recreationally and a little freelance work. In my first week of learning how to climb for tree work I sold my climbing tree stand to buy a trophyline tree saddle, some of those high density plastic strap on steps that were discontinued or recalled to use as a platform and a lumbar pack from cabelas for carrying the steps, and other in the tree/hunting necessities as well as a small lightweight stuff-able pack for deer meat. Basically almost as light weight as I can be while still getting into a tree at any height, any distance I can walk, which is normally far to get in to public lands areas that are less pressured.

I normally go to pre-scouted locations, for two reasons; firstly to scout and be in the woods! second to prep set lines for pulling up rope. I suggest that when you go scouting and setting up line to use a throw bag collapsible box/hamper as it makes the throw bag experience much less frustrating. LIke this one:

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Its not too expensive and helps keep debris from fowling up your toss and its faster to lay your line back in for follow up shots. For run and gun in the afternoon I just use my new tribe stuff sack for a throw bag (oh yeah I have a New Tribe Tree Fox too, that I use for rec. climbing and freelance tree work, I bought just before they came out with the aero, would have got that instead and just kept my burly not so comfortable Buckingham saddle for work). And if I decide to run and gun in the morning which is not often I use a hand drill and bolts, if legal in the area. The tree hugger part of me (yes, although I used to cut down trees for a living I do have one) doesn't approve of this method.

Personally I climb on a double rope system (using a distel hitch) as it is less expensive due to less metal devices needed, lighter, and less chance for metal on metal noises, if I drop something by accident I can tie a fisherman's and blake's hitch and still be a fully functioning saddle hunter.

Just my opinion (dont work or get paid by any of the following):

New Tribe is awesome, they have been innovative in bridging gaps from the start of tree climbing (read The Wild Trees while you hang in your tree this fall, good read).

And if your looking for tree climbing gear other I recommend treestuff.com, great customer service, often throw in free gear like gardening gloves which are great for rope work but also more expensive goodies like webbing extensions and the things that keep your rope in one side of the biner whatever they are called. They also have a good youtube channel for beginners and experts alike.
 
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I'll second Treestuff.com great people to deal with. Also I will put a plug in for friend of mine Bob Wray (Blueridge tree climbing)- he has developed a simple but effective way to climb DDRT double rope and it is very non gear intensive. He has classes situated on his 40 acres atop the Blue Ridge Mts in North Carolina.
 
Welcome to the site guys!

Thanks for the great info, and I look forward to learning more! :D
 
I want to give an update on my progress with this new method. Last week I put in 3 days of practice after work. The first day I hung off a 12 foot branch and got comfortable, and then climbed up to the branch. The next day I went up about 20 foot a few times with no problems. The 3rd day I climbed up to my hunting height of 25 foot 3 times and had the tree set up and was up in less than 15 minutes so I gave myself the green light to try it out for hunting.

And that brings me to Saturday afternoon. The tree I wanted to be in had too many branches and I didn't think it would work. So I tried the tree next to it that was more open. And although I got my throw line up no problem, it bit down into the branch and I could not pull the climbing rope over. I tried a whole bunch of different things and it was just not going to happen. So I went back to the tree with a lot of branches and I was able to get it up and over and down to me without getting hung up in all of the branches. I set up to climb and man it was tougher than in the yard. I was wearing a good amount of clothing but I learnt one thing. In this new tribe tip" http://www.newtribe.com/documents/tip4.htm, they recommend hooking up to the bottom hole in the ascender in case you have to bail out quickly. I do not recommend using the bottom hole for our purposes because it takes away from the efficiency of climbing. You have to ascend, pull, ascend, pull that many more times because your pulley is closer to the petzl rig. So I finally got up in the tree, set up, and hunted. Going down is FUN!!!

The next morning I still had trouble ascending due to the same issues. Today I did a few things with the system. I used some of the cloth wrap they make to help silence some of the metal on metal contact points. And I moved the carabiner/pulley back to the top hole. I went in the backyard and boom, I was up in a tree in about 10 minutes. I must have climbed 3 or 4 times and it went great.

I am fully committed to this method of climbing and I'm not giving up. It may take more practice but I really think this could be the future of hunting for those who are willing.

I would like to give a special thank you to Whispers Death for the demo video you put together because that was the moment I realized this method had some real potential.
 
redsquirrel said:
Do you use a left or right hand ascender? Which is easier for someone right handed? Do you pull the rope with one and and use the other to ascend or do you switch and do both with the same hand?

Redsquirrel - Which did you end up getting? Right or left hand? Are you right or left handed? I've been dabbling with ropes for a year but have yet to use for an actual hunt. Mainly due to the fact that I've been climbing with the doubled rope and that is quite a bit more work than what the the SRT appears to be.

I hunted out of a New Tribe Tree Fox saddle last year. I had bought it prior to the Aero Hunter coming available. It was ok, but never what I would call comfortable. I bought the Aero Hunter Evolution very recently and have been out in it twice and love it. Now I need to figure out a better platform and method of getting into the tree. The lone wolf stick I'm using are ok, but I'm still looking for something lighter and quieter.
 
srud.. welcome to the site! :D

I got a left handed ascender (I am righty). Whispers Death advised me. You ascend with your off hand and pull the rope with your dominant hand.

I set up 3 trees with ropes yesterday. I'm getting better at climbing, but I am definitely struggling to throw the bag over the branch I want. Having pre-sets will be the best way to go for me now. I did just order a little sling shot and I'm going to tinker with a method I saw: http://treefool.com/2014/04/07/diy-cheap-throw-line-slingshot-vid/

I definitely love how light this system is, that is my favorite part. I quieted down some of the metal, I just have one part that clicks if I ascend too quickly.
 
Ok, we need a video of this in action with a hunting set up. Seems like something to get working on during the off season.
 
I will put something together after the season if no one else does. I'm still too new to show everyone else how to do it right now :lol:

If anyone wants to put one together I will officially post it on saddlehunter.com. I am going to make a climbing methods page on the site in the near future.
 
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