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Ditch the Ropeman

River Hunter said:
You guys are over-complicating it.
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If you are going to do it this way why not just run the tag end through the carabiner and ditch the ring and that would be as simple as it gets!
 
Recurveaholic said:
If you are going to do it this way why not just run the tag end through the carabiner and ditch the ring and that would be as simple as it gets!
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Not sure how running the tag end back through would help tend the prussik. Got a pic/video?

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River Hunter said:
Not sure how running the tag end back through would help tend the prussik. Got a pic/video?

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basically use the carabiner like the metal ring with the tag end of rope through it! Maybe not just asking!
 
Recurveaholic said:
basically use the carabiner like the metal ring with the tag end of rope through it! Maybe not just asking!
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Yeah I don't think that will work cuz you need that round edge of the ring to hit the base prussik. But I would love to be proved wrong!
That little 10 cent ring is pretty minimal.

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The tending portion, I.e., the ring that slides against the friction hitch, should be close in diameter to the rope as possible without binding. It helps to break loose the friction hitch when tending in slack.

Also, a prusik is not the best friction hitch to use.

Common Options are

Distel (I and others here use this one)
www.animatedknots.com

Distel Hitch

Slide and grip knot used to ascend a climbing rope.
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Klemheist
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Klemheist Knot

Slide and grip knot intended for a load in one direction only. The Klemheist, or Machard Knot, is a derivative of the original Prusik knot. It also appears to be identical to the knot described by Ashley for securing a loop to a vertical pole.
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Schwabisch

Schwabisch Hitch | How to tie the Schwabisch Hitch with illustrations and animation

How to tie the Schwabisch Hitch with illustration and animation.
www.netknots.com www.netknots.com

They hold in one direction (which is all we need anyway). They are easier to adjust after weight has been put on the hitch.
 
ImThere said:
I would like to see this in use couple you possibly post a video?


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It looks like he would have to pull the actual tether/lb rope through the tender “ring”. I have not seen it done that way.

IMO, Best bet is to see how arborists tend slack. And figure out a way to do it like them.
 
8mm oplux, 5.5 mm Beal jammy, distel hitch, tender DanO sells (cut down)

Put my whole 275 lbs on it yesterday and I still was able to tend slack easily. With my weight and this combo of rope, loosening was sometimes tight, but that is on the other side of the tender and the tender did not play into that.

Second one was 11mm blue water assault, 8mm armor-prus and DIY tender made with strap and toy biner from Lowe’s. Same distel hitch.

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Isn't that distel hitch, set up like that, getting on the dangerous end of carabiner loading? Such as getting excessive pressure on the gate side?
It looks very interesting, but it just seems like there is a lot of material getting jammed up on one end of the carabiner.
 
Fairchild#17 said:
Isn't that distel hitch, set up like that, getting on the dangerous end of carabiner loading? Such as getting excessive pressure on the gate side?
It looks very interesting, but it just seems like there is a lot of material getting jammed up on one end of the carabiner.
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If that is a concern for you just use something different for a tender other than flat webbing.
 
I keep switching back and forth. I have Dan O tenders and I have the Kong Duck for my 8mm lines. The tenders definitely work, but not quite as smooth as a mechanical device. Sometimes it skips over the prussik...sometimes it gets kind of flipped around and you need to set it straight. It always works, but can be hassle when you're climbing sometimes. For now, I still use the mechanical ascender on my lineman's belt but use the tender and prussik only on my tether.....
 
Fairchild#17 said:
Isn't that distel hitch, set up like that, getting on the dangerous end of carabiner loading? Such as getting excessive pressure on the gate side?
It looks very interesting, but it just seems like there is a lot of material getting jammed up on one end of the carabiner.
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That's where a shizll rope slider is nice. It is a commercial tender, you can find them for around 15 bucks. But they are basically 2 small rings oriented 90 degrees from one another, much more compact that most of the longer diy tenders, they let your ends of your distel hitch be much closer together.

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The shizlls are nice but that's a fair amount of metal for me. One of these rings and a piece of 1.5mm cord and you can create a cheap easy tender that allows you to have very short legs on your distel hitch. Plus brass doesn't have the ting of steel or aluminum.
 
Fairchild#17 said:
Isn't that distel hitch, set up like that, getting on the dangerous end of carabiner loading? Such as getting excessive pressure on the gate side?
It looks very interesting, but it just seems like there is a lot of material getting jammed up on one end of the carabiner.
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Should not be. Both connections of distel are pulling to same point on rope. If they were pulling to different directions, it would not be good.

That said, if it concerns you, use paracord and a ring or a shizzl.


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