H2 Saddle

[dnoodles]

just got my shipping notice today, should be here Friday and I'll get some practice over the weekend and hopefully be ready to hit the woods the week after
Flee, you must've gotten one of the last tan ones. WHen I ordered mine 3-4 weeks ago they were out.

Happy New Saddle Day! H2 is here! Played with it a bit before work. Seems pretty comfortable. Messing with my adjustable bridge for now. Seems I might like the rope man with my lineman to double as an adjustable bridge. Also liking the sit drag for a back band. As soon as I say in it with the back band it was a wow moment. I think guys that are so so comfortable that don’t have a back band need to get one. A used binocular strap or whatever. Can’t wait to get in the woods with it.


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[Flee]

just got my shipping notice today, should be here Friday and I'll get some practice over the weekend and hopefully be ready to hit the woods the week after
Flee, you must've gotten one of the last tan ones. WHen I ordered mine 3-4 weeks ago they were out.

They’re selling like hot cakes

 

[BCHunter]

@Digger1 tethrd has caught a lot of flak here for the leg buckles not being rated. It’s not just H2 saddles that people have been critical of.

H2 is to my knowledge building them in his home with who knows what kind of training, skills,experience he has. His work looks ok from what I have seen but he appears to use way too many stitches. You reach a point of negative return where every stitch past a certain point is actually weakening the webbing. His disclaimer is almost saying he isn’t confident enough in his work and design to recommend you leave the ground in it. My understanding is because the way he markets it his disclaimer does nothing to save him in a court room.

For $35 bucks and 4 more weeks, I would wait for a saddle that is backed by an actual company with an actual insurance plan. If they miss some stitches in QA and you fall and break your back, you are covered. H2, you are both screwed. If his product was ground use only, he wouldn't be testing the weight limit or advertising on saddle hunting sites. He wouldn't put leg straps or linesman's loops on it. If anything happens and a guy dies, it's not just going to be a monetary issue for him if the guys family wants to go after him.

 

[Digger1]

For $35 bucks and 4 more weeks, I would wait for a saddle that is backed by an actual company with an actual insurance plan. If they miss some stitches in QA and you fall and break your back, you are covered. H2, you are both screwed. If his product was ground use only, he wouldn't be testing the weight limit or advertising on saddle hunting sites. He wouldn't put leg straps or linesman's loops on it. If anything happens and a guy dies, it's not just going to be a monetary issue for him if the guys family wants to go after him.

So where would the Tacticsaddle at $189.99 fall

 

[BCHunter]

So where would the Tacticsaddle at $189.99 fall

I would say depends on what his company/insurance is like. I don't know anything about him, does he say it's for ground use only? Does he have insurance to sell climbing gear? Has he ever tested anything? It sucks that we have to ask these questions about people that are selling gear, but I think it's necessary.

They sell chinese climbing gear on ebay and amazon that looks good, but I'm not going to use it. Black diamond, metolius, etc... are known quantities.

 

[Flee]

For $35 bucks and 4 more weeks, I would wait for a saddle that is backed by an actual company with an actual insurance plan. If they miss some stitches in QA and you fall and break your back, you are covered. H2, you are both screwed. If his product was ground use only, he wouldn't be testing the weight limit or advertising on saddle hunting sites. He wouldn't put leg straps or linesman's loops on it. If anything happens and a guy dies, it's not just going to be a monetary issue for him if the guys family wants to go after him.

Well I’m betting that an “actual” company’s saddles won’t have an equipment failure and that any fall would be user error so the idea of insurance covering a fall is almost guaranteed to be null and void. They’re way overbuilt so any fall would almost very be user error. And my H2 is overbuilt as well. I literally will bet my life on the quality of build and materials of my H2 to last my lifetime of hunting and probably could pass it down for another many years of use.
I’m curious if you have posted the same posts toward the moded sit drags, diy rope knots(prussiks, distel, etc), diy sticks and stick mods, diy platforms, various climbing techniques, ropemans on tethers, etc, etc. ? It seems there’s a bias and with some teeth showing towards the H2s. I have a cottage industry hammock and it’s bar none better than the “actual” companies that make them. I have some other cottage industry products that are amazing as well. I’ll always support the little guys if I can. By and large the big companies of anything have more quality control issues than the small guys because the small guys depend more on word of mouth and reputation for business.
The cottage I industry guys are not being deceptive with anything in there products so can’t we buy and use what we want and that just be that. Do the non “actual companies” need to be put on blast ?

Can’t we all just get along ..(Rodney king)

 

[ImThere]

Well I’m betting that an “actual” company’s saddles won’t have an equipment failure and that any fall would be user error so the idea of insurance covering a fall is almost guaranteed to be null and void. They’re way overbuilt so any fall would almost very be user error. And my H2 is overbuilt as well. I literally will bet my life on the quality of build and materials of my H2 to last my lifetime of hunting and probably could pass it down for another many years of use.

I would bet your right.

I’m curious if you have posted the same posts toward the moded sit drags, diy rope knots(prussiks, distel, etc), diy sticks and stick mods, diy platforms, various climbing techniques, ropemans on tethers, etc, etc. ?

if someone was selling them I would as would others

It seems there’s a bias and with some teeth showing towards the H2s.

Like I stated before I think its only because he is selling them under the sitdrag disclaimer trying to protect himself.

I'm still on the fence about ordering one. I think I will order mine without leg loops as I hate them! lol

 

[BCHunter]

Well I’m betting that an “actual” company’s saddles won’t have an equipment failure and that any fall would be user error so the idea of insurance covering a fall is almost guaranteed to be null and void. They’re way overbuilt so any fall would almost very be user error. And my H2 is overbuilt as well. I literally will bet my life on the quality of build and materials of my H2 to last my lifetime of hunting and probably could pass it down for another many years of use.
I’m curious if you have posted the same posts toward the moded sit drags, diy rope knots(prussiks, distel, etc), diy sticks and stick mods, diy platforms, various climbing techniques, ropemans on tethers, etc, etc. ? It seems there’s a bias and with some teeth showing towards the H2s. I have a cottage industry hammock and it’s bar none better than the “actual” companies that make them. I have some other cottage industry products that are amazing as well. I’ll always support the little guys if I can. By and large the big companies of anything have more quality control issues than the small guys because the small guys depend more on word of mouth and reputation for business.
The cottage I industry guys are not being deceptive with anything in there products so can’t we buy and use what we want and that just be that. Do the non “actual companies” need to be put on blast ?

Actually I've said that people who use modified sit drags without a rock climbing harness are crazy and we shouldn't allow people to encourage it. If someone sews up a saddle and believes they are safe, that's up to them, I still encourage the use of a RCH. When you sell your work to others, that's when responsibility to do the right thing comes into play.

Cottage industry? Doesn't a company like tethrd count as cottage with 7 employees? I'm sure areohunter isn't far ahead of that number. They didn't sell a single saddle till they were squared away.


Modding sticks and platforms is different, they aren't fall arrest devices. Injury can happen if they fail, but that's why we have climbing rated harnesses that have been tested. Caution must be used, but even sticks from the factory come with buckles that are rated around 800lbs.

I'm not trying to be combative or stifle innovation, I just want people to be safe.

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[sweats]

Actually I've said that people who use modified sit drags without a rock climbing harness are crazy and we shouldn't allow people to encourage it. If someone sews up a saddle and believes they are safe, that's up to them, I still encourage the use of a RCH. When you sell your work to others, that's when responsibility to do the right thing comes into play.

Cottage industry? Doesn't a company like tethrd count as cottage with 7 employees? I'm sure areohunter isn't far ahead of that number. They didn't sell a single saddle till they were squared away.


Modding sticks and platforms is different, they aren't fall arrest devices. Injury can happen if they fail, but that's why we have climbing rated harnesses that have been tested. Caution must be used, but even sticks from the factory come with buckles that are rated around 800lbs.

I'm not trying to be combative or stifle innovation, I just want people to be safe.

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I've never laid eyes or hands on a H2 saddle or any of the other non-commercial options available for purchase. They're obviously popular and seem to be getting more popular based on informal observation.

Whenever I've been on social media, and they are recommended to an aspiring saddle hunter who is asking about what saddle they should get, I do point out that these products are officially for ground use only. Many people state this is just for liability reasons and very much like the saddle and use it off the ground. My intention is not to disparage Mr. Hartt or his handiwork, but I want to make sure someone who doesn't have a lot of background or may not be aware of this distinction can make an informed decision before using it.

Legally speaking, I don't know if the ground use only disclaimer would protect Mr. Hartt from liability or not given how it's marketed and the design including linesman loops, which are really only necessary for climbing.



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[Blacksmith]

I bought one and the quality and customer service was perfect. The disclaimer is only because the TMA or anyone else for that matter will not condone saddle manufacture

 

[PaTrout1]

I bought one and the quality and customer service was perfect. The disclaimer is only because the TMA or anyone else for that matter will not condone saddle manufacture

I one right now. Using it just a bit higher that ground level, lol

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[iamcorey]

So does this need a RCH like the sit drag?


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[ImThere]

I bought one and the quality and customer service was perfect. The disclaimer is only because the TMA or anyone else for that matter will not condone saddle manufacture

I don’t see that disclaimer on any other saddle mfg websites?


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[PaTrout1]

So does this need a RCH like the sit drag?


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No, it is a Mantis clone and built like a tank. Some people are nervous because he has a disclaimer that says it's made for "ground level" I find rather amusing what some guys will choose to be nervous about. Trust me, I'm not the biggest fan of heights and I feel 1000% safe in the H2. Great product

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[PaTrout1]

I've never laid eyes or hands on a H2 saddle or any of the other non-commercial options available for purchase. They're obviously popular and seem to be getting more popular based on informal observation.

Whenever I've been on social media, and they are recommended to an aspiring saddle hunter who is asking about what saddle they should get, I do point out that these products are officially for ground use only. Many people state this is just for liability reasons and very much like the saddle and use it off the ground. My intention is not to disparage Mr. Hartt or his handiwork, but I want to make sure someone who doesn't have a lot of background or may not be aware of this distinction can make an informed decision before using it.

Legally speaking, I don't know if the ground use only disclaimer would protect Mr. Hartt from liability or not given how it's marketed and the design including linesman loops, which are really only necessary for climbing.



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Heck no that disclaimer ain't gonna do anything if somebody falls. However, I can tell you with the utmost confidence that if someone falls while wearing the H2, its because that person did something very wrong, not because of time product

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[Digger1]

I don’t see that disclaimer on any other sealer mfg websites?


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So.
Is there some magic rule that everyone's websites needs to say the same stuff.
People are sitting 15-20ft in the air in fleece from Walmart. But yet this disclaimer is really offensive to some...

 

[drew13]

So.
Is there some magic rule that everyone's websites needs to say the same stuff.
People are sitting 15-20ft in the air in fleece from Walmart. But yet this disclaimer is really offensive to some...

Not cool, Digger1. Name calling has no place here.

 

[PaTrout1]

Like they always say on here: you have to make a judgement on what you feel comfortable doing in respect to risk. If you dont feel comfortable by that little disclaimer then dont buy it. Heck, the Tethrd predator platforms are breaking left and right but I still see people rushing to buy their stuff, to each his own.

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[Arkansas Deer Wacker]

The Flex is single layer, Kestrel is double.

I get the same as sit drag "for ground use only" part, but that also means you should use an RCH with it. I will only trust my butt to a full use commercial model, or one I make myself, but if you feel OK in it for non-approved use, go for it. I just challenge him, and any other makers that are selling these, to step up and make it a fully committed to the tree model and not hide behind that going forward. He knows what it is going to used for by people and is playing to that use. In defense of Sit Drag - it was ALREADY out as a true ground use product and saddle hunters used it for non-approved purposes.

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If they get the insurance or certification to do above ground work then the price goes up to the same as those publicized saddles and then what sets it apart from the rest of them after that. Heath attempted to give the saddle crowd an alternative. Take it for what it is worth, but all commercial items sold are use at your own risk as far as I know it. Happy Hunting...

 

[PaTrout1]

If they get the insurance or certification to do above ground work then the price goes up to the same as those publicized saddles and then what sets it apart from the rest of them after that. Heath attempted to give the saddle crowd an alternative. Take it for what it is worth, but all commercial items sold are use at your own risk as far as I know it. Happy Hunting...

And I'm glad he did. Great product, great service, all around awesome

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