Product Accountability

[Mopar1169]

Tethrd guys have been saying in videos that it’s a “grade 8 roll pin”.

Now, to my understanding it’s a 1/16” roll pin that’s in the One Stick. If that’s the case, they’re full of it because I’ve never heard of a Grade 8, 1/16” Roll Pin.

So if they’re lying about product specs, what ELSE are they lying about?

I thought somebody said it was 3/16 earlier not a 1/16. Either way there is no way I would trust standing on a non captured roll pin. I have seen those things walk themselves out of all kinds of holes. Just takes alittle bit of wear and they start moving. Especially with the temp swings they see. Only way I would trust them drilled to 1/4 and bolted with lockers.

 

[Vtbow]

This is worrisome. I’ve seen a lot of discussion about products not meeting build quality for the price point or the hype, but this is the first time I have seen anyone say the products didn’t meet safety design specs and there was a cover-up of these failures during testing.

Have you searched this site or heard aboutnt

You are thinking of lwcg. Ambush.

I think you are right. I don’t recall the predators being drilled off center. I do remember there being badly warped ones.

I think he is referring to this:

Predator Cracked

Brand new. Only used 4x. Anyone else see this? I emailed and left a message. Hope to hear back from them Monday. Not happy. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

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[mattsteg]

So why make a video about your custom modifications to your gear, but fail to mention the custom “3D printed” stacking pegs you made? Why do “your” custom 3D printed pegs look exactly like Tethrd’s pegs?! (Tethrd peg image included for reference).

This just reaffirmed to me that Tethrd and their groupies know theirs issues but secretly make alterations to their personal gear. Consequently every One Stick I’ve seen Tethrd Pro-Staff boys use, are wrapped in Stealth Strips etc...

It's certainly not unexpected that GEN1 of anything might have some minor issues and last-minute spec changes - and that the company would want to manage that announcement on their own. Taylor probably should have ignored you, or mentioned beta sticks or something, and Tethrd should have communicated the issue better in a manner of their choosing. And plenty of guys stealth-strip everything. That's all window dressing.

I buy new-to-market stuff if it looks good, and expect some bumps along the way. The main concern is how well the product will be backed up/supported, and whether it's safe.

Structural stuff is a far bigger deal. The pin they're using (I don't know that "grade 8" roll pins are even a thing) is likely strong enough (and probably sized that way from the design stage), but the chance for it to wear and work itself out is worrisome long term. Clearly the glue isn't doing the job, and clearly things are not working as claimed/designed in a very fundamental way. And with the way these are manufactured I'm not sure to what extent faulty sticks can be reliably reworked.

 

[CooterBrown]

It's certainly not unexpected that GEN1 of anything might have some minor issues and last-minute spec changes - and that the company would want to manage that announcement on their own. Taylor probably should have ignored you, or mentioned beta sticks or something, and Tethrd should have communicated the issue better in a manner of their choosing. And plenty of guys stealth-strip everything. That's all window dressing.

I buy new-to-market stuff if it looks good, and expect some bumps along the way. The main concern is how well the product will be backed up/supported, and whether it's safe.

Structural stuff is a far bigger deal. The pin they're using (I don't know that "grade 8" roll pins are even a thing) is likely strong enough (and probably sized that way from the design stage), but the chance for it to wear and work itself out is worrisome long term. Clearly the glue isn't doing the job, and clearly things are not working as claimed/designed in a very fundamental way. And with the way these are manufactured I'm not sure to what extent faulty sticks can be reliably reworked.

Wonder could tethrd just put out a video about 1 stick maintenance and somewhere in the middle say to check the steps for looseness and if found to be loose than just super glue them a little. kinda like they did with the balls on the Phantom comfort channels. LOL

 

[Plebe]

Wonder could tethrd just put out a video about 1 stick maintenance and somewhere in the middle say to check the steps for looseness and if found to be loose than just super glue them a little. kinda like they did with the balls on the Phantom comfort channels. LOL

Glue shelves be lookin' like ammo shelves.

Really, I wish the chemical welding would have worked better / more consistently.

 

[MCDM]

I haven’t posted in a long while and personally I will say I was field staff for Tethrd for a bit and left because of many issues. However I was able to procure sticks last season before the public even had a chance. I will not publicly go into on the forum for I respect this community and this pages owner too much. However i have briefly typed up a response to explain the concerns and truth of these sticks. Pm me if you are curious and I will adamantly state it is safety for the community that concerns me. As far as my vendor rep tag goes I do rep for a company that makes saddles however we are no where near the volume of what Tethrd produces.

 

[luckylakes]

valerio024, post: 513223, member: 2037"]
I have personally bought every saddle I’ve reviewed on my channel, no freebies and I give my honest thoughts, beholden to none. I won’t put up a video until I have put a saddle through many in stand hours in various trees.
I gotta say I have enjoyed a few different u tube saddle reviewers and I always go back to about 3 folks. I did a hellva lot research before I bought my 1st saddle, a recon and Valerio and Nutterbuster helped me for sure. Between this site and you guys the info is quite a bit to learn even though the principles are easy it just a whole new facet of hunting which is certainly a game changer for me..
Thanks Guys..

 

[valerio024]

valerio024, post: 513223, member: 2037"]
I have personally bought every saddle I’ve reviewed on my channel, no freebies and I give my honest thoughts, beholden to none. I won’t put up a video until I have put a saddle through many in stand hours in various trees.
I gotta say I have enjoyed a few different u tube saddle reviewers and I always go back to about 3 folks. I did a hellva lot research before I bought my 1st saddle, a recon and Valerio and Nutterbuster helped me for sure. Between this site and you guys the info is quite a bit to learn even though the principles are easy it just a whole new facet of hunting which is certainly a game changer for me..
Thanks Guys..

Thanks for watching! You made a great choice. I’ll keep my Recon for a long time. I started making videos in 2018 due to the inability of people to be able to try on saddles. From the get go my purpose has been to try and add value to the community. I’m glad to hear the videos were helpful.


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[Tree hunter]

The old saying “buyer beware” is so true in the stuff saddle hunters purchase.
our safety is #1 or should be.
But it’s up to us to discern when a guy is” selling “ vs just saying ,hey I tried this an it worked for me.
This group (saddle hunters) I have found has been the best ,,for me, rooting out the facts,the fun’s and the not so safes.Make sure your safe to the best of your ability. No one is going to laugh or judge you if your back up system saves you. Back to the point of this tread ,It is up to us to make sure companies that sell to saddle hunters are selling safe items. We have a voice to “ call them out “ if there is a problem or flaw.
Again that’s one of the reasons I like this Community .

 

[valerio024]

valerio024, post: 513223, member: 2037"]
I have personally bought every saddle I’ve reviewed on my channel, no freebies and I give my honest thoughts, beholden to none. I won’t put up a video until I have put a saddle through many in stand hours in various trees.
I gotta say I have enjoyed a few different u tube saddle reviewers and I always go back to about 3 folks. I did a hellva lot research before I bought my 1st saddle, a recon and Valerio and Nutterbuster helped me for sure. Between this site and you guys the info is quite a bit to learn even though the principles are easy it just a whole new facet of hunting which is certainly a game changer for me..
Thanks Guys..

Thanks for watching! You made a great choice. I’ll keep my Recon for a long time. I started making videos in 2018 due to the inability of people to be able to try on saddles. From the get go my purpose has been to try and add value to the community. I’m glad to hear the videos were helpful.


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[Fl Canopy Stalker]

I've beat my head against this little problem for a couple of years. I did a few reviews. Folks liked them. It was fun. Folks asked for more videos. Gear is expensive. So you monetize the channel because gear to review, camera gear, and time aren't free. I actually started a thread asking if folks would consider donating through Patreon or something to fund a channel and keep it bias free. The answer was generally "nope".

People tolerate ads but the market isn't really big enough to support the thousands of dollars you'd need to just to buy the gear. People hate sponsorships because then you're biased. Nobody wants to pay, but they want an independent reviewer who uses gear hard to use lots of gear for a long time and then make a quality video. 3 ways to get that. You pay somebody, luck out randomly when the perfect guy does it for one item and probably never again, or you let somebody else pay him.

It's kinda funny. Provide value and ask for value in return and you're just doing it for money. But really, if you look at the input va output, nobody in their right mind looks at the hunting industry as a whole and says, "Here's where I'll make my fortune." I could fire up the ps4 3 nights a week and make more drinking beer and yelling at a video game than I'll ever make as your friendly neighborhood Nutterbuster. Which isn't saying much, but still. For most guys its a love>money thing. I just dont know anybody who loves it so much that they'll do a good job for free. I know I won't. I'll do it for less than I'd do other things, but bills gotta be paid and if I'm just doing something for fun it's not gonna be something anybody but me benefits from. I'm selfish I guess.

I guess I would just say to the guys who don't like the current system, is it something you have no interest in at all regardless of what it looks like or is there a specific something you have in mind that would make it better?

I think I would donate because I’m not good at speaking to cameras, but I do think reviews need to be unbiased. And with Saddle Companies A,B,and C all finding the youtubers with the most viewers and then sponsoring them, you know you aren’t getting the truth. I am friends with a certain outdoors channel guy that wears and talks about one of the big saddle companies equipment while recording, but when he’s at the tree he slips into a DIY saddle and doesn’t pull the Company A saddle back out until he has a kill. Most people do not have the time patience or money for cameras and filming and editing. It is why I never film my hunts. My wife and I spoke about shooting videos because we hunt and fish a lot but I just do not do a good job of relaying my thoughts into words when I’m being filmed, and honestly I don’t have the time or energy for filming and editing. I have watched a few of your videos after getting on this forum and if there is one person I know will give their honest opinion it is you Nutterbuster.

 

[Jeremy_D]

What else got me fired up, was that Taylor Chamberlin aka “Hunt Urban” on YouTube, released this video about 2 weeks ago. Before the official One Stick launch.

His video was talking about his modifications to his One Sticks, when I noticed he had orange pegs. This video was made before the whole “broken peg” emails. When I commented on his video, Taylor replied saying “these were his custom 3D printed stacking pegs, but currently he’s using Tethrd’s pegs”.

So why make a video about your custom modifications to your gear, but fail to mention the custom “3D printed” stacking pegs you made? Why do “your” custom 3D printed pegs look exactly like Tethrd’s pegs?! (Tethrd peg image included for reference).

This just reaffirmed to me that Tethrd and their groupies know theirs issues but secretly make alterations to their personal gear. Consequently every One Stick I’ve seen Tethrd Pro-Staff boys use, are wrapped in Stealth Strips etc...

So now I question what other modifications are made but not talked about or noticeable?

If anyone watched that "review" and didnt know it was bought and paid for I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Glue shelves be lookin' like ammo shelves.

Really, I wish the chemical welding would have worked better / more consistently.

It can. But you have to use special epoxies that allow flex for the expansion of the metal in the heat and cold. Also the titanium is probably too smooth, so it needs to be roughed up inside the circular portion fitted to the tube. Epoxy performs better when it is in clean porous surfaces so that it can bond better. The metal expansion and stress is the same reason boat transoms contain high density foam in between the fiberglass shell, to help with the vibration, expansion and contraction, and why the bolt holes have to utilize large flat metal plates (not just small washers). Because you have to account for fracturing if you drill fiber glass or carbon fiber. A really strong specialty flex epoxy with a roughed up interior of the titanium would probably mitigate most of the issues. Ok patent pending in 3-2-1....