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Rappelling rope

boone0 said:
This is true, what i was trying to say was that the grigri2 needs the slack end tended, which your solution definitely does. Most of the time yes, you're right. But if you put weight on a platform, for example, and let some weight off the grigri it is possible for it to slip without you intentionally pulling the release lever. This isn't just theoretical, I've made it happen. But with the backup you describe you should be fine.

I don't want to beat this point to death, as the grigri is pretty good for what we do. I know I've posted about this before, but I'd hate for someone to assume you're good once the grigri is engaged and the rope isn't moving. You can still slip.

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Definitely, agree you can't be too safe with this stuff! When your Grigri slipped when you put weight on/off of your platform how far did you fall? Did you get hurt or were you able to catch yourself with your hands or something? Sounds pretty scary, my biggest concern is rushing and forgetting something or getting complacent and forgetting the backup or not clipping into the rope to rappel down but thinking I had, etc....

Here's a good article on the subject.
http://www.rockandice.com/climb-safe/rappelling-surviving-climbings-diciest-business
 
I was about a foot off the ground, no fall or anything. Just getting a feel for it with the rope i have, not actual use!

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donnieballgame said:
Definitely, agree you can't be too safe with this stuff! When your Grigri slipped when you put weight on/off of your platform how far did you fall? Did you get hurt or were you able to catch yourself with your hands or something? Sounds pretty scary, my biggest concern is rushing and forgetting something or getting complacent and forgetting the backup or not clipping into the rope to rappel down but thinking I had, etc....

Here's a good article on the subject.
http://www.rockandice.com/climb-safe/rappelling-surviving-climbings-diciest-business
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strung the ropes through the rap station, shouldered the haulbag, which was loaded with enough pins, cams and paraphernalia for a Yosemite Grade V, and to save the time it would take coiling it, clipped a spare 9mm trail line so it dangled straight off my gear sling. I snapped on my rap device, leaned back into the twilight, and realized an instant too late that I hadn’t clipped to my rappel ropes. With a snivelling sob, I plunged like a sack of potatoes toward the bedrock approach slabs, 500 feet below.

Until that moment, I hadn’t considered exactly how I would die, and now that I knew it was to be rappelling, I was ashamed. ‘Rappelling, dang dang it!’ I thought as I sped earthward.

I dropped 150 feet through the air, past the ends of the rappel ropes, then, miraculously, wrenched to a halt. The 9mm trail line, haphazardly clipped to the shoulder sling I’d home-sewn on my momma’s Singer, had snarled and, whip-snapping above me as I fell, jammed in a crack—the only crack on the smooth Entrada face. It had wedged, Stopper-style, and caught me.

Until that moment, I hadn’t considered exactly how I would die, and now that I knew it was to be rappelling, I was ashamed.

The shock exploded the sheath off the rope, blew a third of the core strands, and bent the carabiner on my gear sling, but I walked away without a scrape. I scavenged bits of that tattered rope and made a series of short rappels to the ground, where I vowed that, from that moment on, I’d count on more than a guardian angel to back up my rappel.

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Use an autoblock with your GriGri and you're good. And as stated, once you have FULLY loaded the grigri, it stays locked much better
 
The advantage of the GriGri is that it can be used as an ascender and then straight to rappel without any switch over. If you weren't going to use it on the way up, an ATC with an autoblock is quiet and light.

Hunting from an ATC/autoblock isn't a great idea. If you turn sideways or move around, your leg could let out some rope and you'll drop a little. Your brake leg will also have tension on it
 
I was worried about the tension on my leg. Is there a way to make it hands free using atc


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I did some research looks like you can tie off your atc for hands free when hunting then use the atc/auto block for rappeling


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You can tie it off. But you aren't going to use it while climbing right?

You could just use a short tether with a blakes hitch or prusik (I have a Bluewater Sewn Prusik) while hunting and then get your rappel rope and ATC out for descending. It might be less trouble. To untie the ATC to descend, you still have to stand up to unload it.

Making a switch from a tether to a separate ATC/Rappel rope is easier than switching on the same rope. But you can easily do that too (with your platform or foot loops in place). You raise your prusik up out of the way (still attached to it) and set the ATC Below it and clip in ATTACH YOUR AUTOBLOCK (Sterling HollowBlock is great) and transfer your weight to it TEST IT and THEN unclip from your Prusik.

Autoblock on an ATC is perfect to hold you while tearing down your tether and platform. And it allows you to do a SLOW grandma paced rappel. I'm not in a hurry to get to the ground :)

As an aside, a GriGri2 weighs almost the same as a Ropeman 1 and an ATC together.
 
I think I would carry a separate tree tether and actually tie off or use a ropeman than switch to the rappel rope when you're all done. But then again my backpack is getting heavy, so maybe don't listen to me.
 
The CanyonFire looks great. Since you are using a separate tether, it doesn't matter what color you have. That should be great rope, you just have to get the friction right. I have a Sterling ATS that is good for thin rope too. The nice thing with it is that you don't take the carabiner off to load the rope.

The ATC is way less fussy though.

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sb220 said:
separate tether/ropeman for me.

I'm going to use some 8mil canyon rope and a Critr 2 this year.

cfire 8mm $0.88 by the foot. http://www.store.canyoneeringusa.co...n-Fire-Rope-8-3mm/p/10914142/category=2490784

http://www.store.canyoneeringusa.co...Canyon-Werks-Critr-2-Rappel-Device/p/64113203

Ill let ya know what I think when it gets in

(rope is the bulk and weight...hence my desire for some thin stuff)
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Ive got an atc sport to play with too. Just like the looks of that critr with the big tie-offs.

Plus its made for canyon guys with their canyon ropes. Has to be a match made in heaven
 
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