Percentage of archery season deer killed within the "smell zone" of permethrin here in the south......100% id wager
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Ticks...yet another disease :-(
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Just got back from MO last night visiting my oldest daughter. Instead of doing some girl things she, my wife and other two daughters wanted to do they gave me the green light to scout some public down there. Many thanks to @Ckwilli for giving me some leads. Anyway, back on topic…..Going to the Doc this am to get an Antibiotic and they want to see the bite locations of the several ticks I had on me over the course of the last week. Like a dumb bunny I thought long pants and gaiters with a Thermacell would do the trick. Nope. Had two embedded on my belt line (I actually think were from up here cutting the shooting lanes for my long distance TAC practice. The others, including two insidious little suckers they call “seed” ticks I’ve removed with the simple but highly effective soap and warm water with a counter-clockwise motion until they release. This bag has about 7 ticks in it I’m taking to the docs with me this am. Apparently the state has a resource you can send them to to be tested for Lyme and potentially other tick borne diseases. They want to see the bite marks and locations. I’ve had none of the classic symptoms.
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Any of you guys heard of Heartland Virus? It's an emerging virus carried by the Lone Star Tick.
Knowledge is ammo. Read, learn and take measures to protect yourself.
Permethrin is the ticket.
Tick Check labs will test any tick you've encountered. My buddy picked 3 off of him last week. I told him to send to the lab and he replied "too late, I already threw them in the trash." That's a mistake. If you get bit, send the evil little bastard to the lab.
Heartland Virus: An Emerging And Dangerous Phlebovirus – Tickipedia
www.tickipedia.org
@Allegheny Tom - Thanks for the heads up on the Heartland virus. It is a relatively new emerging tick-borne disease that is unresponsive to antibiotic treatments and can be fatal - that's pretty concerning and definitely merits taking precautions to prevent tick bites (for those who don't already do so!) I'm linking the document "TICKBORNE DISEASES OF THE UNITED STATES- A Reference Manual for Healthcare Providers, Sixth Edition, 2022". In my location (Connecticut) there are almost too many tick-borne diseases to remember them all by name. This reference manual is a good source for information. You'll see an entry on Heartland virus on pages 38 & 39. I'm 100% in agreement on wearing insect-shield-treated clothes, or at least spraying with Sawyer's Permethrin if treating garments yourself.
Fortunately, many of the tick-borne diseases can be effectively treated with an antibiotic. If treated early enough the patient usually has no lasting or long term effects, but it depends on which disease. Just like @Jammintree mentioned, my doctor has no problem prescribing Doxycycline (which effectively treats like 70% of known tick-borne diseases) after running standard tests and ruling out other potential issues. He told me that it often takes more than 30 days from the onset of symptoms for a person infected with Lyme disease to test positive for it. (And the onset of symptoms can take anywhere from 3 to 30 days after a bite!) For folks who don't know, there are blood tests that can detect Lyme and other tick-borne diseases. He doesn't wait until a person tests positive though if he's ruled out other causes - he'll start me on Doxycycline and then have me get another blood test a month or more later to see if a tick disease was the issue to close the loop on the diagnosis.
@Bwhana - Thanks for the info on the chigger-borne Typhus. Glad to see that the antibiotic Doxycycline is effective at treating that disease.
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So I got prescribed doxycycline and they didn’t want to test the ticks and asked if it was ok to flush them? I should have said no I want them tested but they said since I’m asymptomatic it probably wouldn’t matter!! Healthcare is getting just stupid.
My doctor gives me a annual scrip for Doxy that I keep filled and on hand in case I get a tick bite or chiggers, as a preventative measure against Lymes, Rocky Mtn SF, and now typhus. Fortunately, I have not had a bite in many years due to using permethrin from spring through fall.
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Yeah I definitely was stupid about
Not pre- spraying my clothing with permethrin and better preparation overall. My fault completely. The doc said Sawyers also puts out a highly effective non scented tick and other insect repellent called Picardin. They say all the major known retailers now carry it. I have a local TSC I got the permethrin from im going to see if they’re carrying this now as well.
It was the first time I’ve been to the Dr. Since 2018. Which they scolded me about that too. But my BP was 117/73 so they said I’m doing pretty good for a half centurion plus!!
We just used 20% picaridin in the Boundary Waters MN. Skeeters were off the charts bad. Picaridan worked pretty well for those. We weren't seeing many black flies or no see ums, no ticks either. Seems like the only picaridin (sp?) That I see now is 30% which should be even better. The best thing about the stuff is it won't destroy certain fabrics like deet does.
Yada, yada, yada...Let's talk about the deer scouting. You skipped right over the important stuff.
For u guys that go to doctors and can get prescriptions for Lyme medicine..... How much moneys u want to get me a bottle of that stuff?
What is the shelf life?
What is the shelf life?
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I scouted two public land locations. Both roughly 30-45 minutes apart from each other. The first and larger property had good diversity but also a lot of potential access. I wasn’t able to scout to the extent I wanted to on this property as my wifey was with me that day. I have categorized that property for more scrutiny. The second property was super thick, I jumped deer and feel I could have a good time in there but I’m not used to the flatter terrain. I didn’t set any cams out nor did I find much buck sign but I did find a lot of tracks, and overall deer sign. It was literally a thick hardwoods with some decent terrain features but like I said I jumped two sets of deer one was a single deer couldn’t see it and the other group were does about 250-300 yards from the single deer I jumped. Not confident I’d be on a monster early season at all but have some potential rut funnel locations in my mind and on my phone but not confirmed with boots on the ground buck rutting sign. For whatever reason it was very difficult for me to find rubs and scrapes.
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@Weldabeast It was Doxycycline, an anti biotic a one time dose of 200mg.
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I had Lyme in the late 90's and it took me years to get over some of its symptoms....Luckily the doctor treated me with antibiotics but I still have various things going on that I attribute could possibly be from me having Lyme. I use permethrin religiously....
I also went on a special permit hog hunt years ago where one of the guys who ran the wildlife management group assisted me with showing me my area and also setting up a bait. He was a bull of a young man and carried two 50 lb bags of bait on his shoulder like it was nothing...I found out a few years later that he had gotten some kind of tick disease and, if memory serves me, he was having seizures and doctors had resorted to a hyperbolic chamber or some such apparatus to try and help him - that was prollyclose to 20 years ago but I'm pretty sure I remember that part correctly.....Never hear of that being done before...
Another memory from that hunt, not related to Lyme, is I was the first person to kill a hog with trad archery equipment on that farm - a 170 lb boar(it was on a technical college property that was having hogs destroy their beautiful farm). The guys helping on the hunt just couldn't believe the hog only ran about 25 yards and was down from being shot with an arrow and trad bow lol....
I also went on a special permit hog hunt years ago where one of the guys who ran the wildlife management group assisted me with showing me my area and also setting up a bait. He was a bull of a young man and carried two 50 lb bags of bait on his shoulder like it was nothing...I found out a few years later that he had gotten some kind of tick disease and, if memory serves me, he was having seizures and doctors had resorted to a hyperbolic chamber or some such apparatus to try and help him - that was prollyclose to 20 years ago but I'm pretty sure I remember that part correctly.....Never hear of that being done before...
Another memory from that hunt, not related to Lyme, is I was the first person to kill a hog with trad archery equipment on that farm - a 170 lb boar(it was on a technical college property that was having hogs destroy their beautiful farm). The guys helping on the hunt just couldn't believe the hog only ran about 25 yards and was down from being shot with an arrow and trad bow lol....
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A "one time dose" is NOT adequate.
My doctor is designated as "lyme literate", she is deeply involved in everything lyme. She about freaked out when another doctor told my wife to take only one doxy after being bitten by a lyme positive tick.
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It was two 100mg tablets but they said if i developed symptoms to let them know. Now you’re freakin’ me out!!!
80 washes (factory) vs. 8 washes (store bought spray). Insect shield will even factory treat a garment you sent in for ~$20.
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My wife was on doxy for SIX MONTHS (she had symptoms that weren't treated for 4 months) and I was directed to take doxy for a month...I had no symptoms but the ticks did test positive for lyme, babesia, borrelia.
My new doctor is an Integrated Functional Medical doctor. She's very active with lyme conferences, and also puts on a monthly lyme support zoom presentation. She truly tries to determine and address the root causes of health issues. I swear so many of the "corporate doctors" are in the back pocket of the pharmaceutical giants that just want to profit off of illness and not really cure us. If they fix us, then there goes the need to continue treatments and expensive drugs.