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what the heck kind of irresponsible bs is this?

I feel that this is similar to the idea that people rather eat the burger but doesnt want to know how the patty was processed. While my faith in humanity has been slowly fading, I hope most of the people that watch these videos have some common sense that this is the rare exception, not the norm. I dont think any real hunter would take a 100+ yards shot cold turkey without ton of practices and successful harvests at closer distances.

Maybe these rare success videos like these will intrigue newcomers, that they get a preview of what they 'think' is the ultimate state of markesmanship. So they get into the sport full steam ahead and think they can do that in a few months. But as they go on the journey, they find that its not as easy as it look, that the bond with nature is so much more profound than simply hitting a deer at long distance. That actually releasing an arrow is 1% of being a hunter, all the prep time and planning it goes into hunting might open their eyes. Because I doubt they would be able to even see a deer, let alone be able to take a shot until they understand you cant just put on some camo and walk around the wood unless you want to waste a few dozen hours.

When I first got into archery, I thought I was going to be able to robin hood at 100 yards in a few month. Now I'm happy grouping at 40 yards.
 
I’d hate to spine shoot a deer and it starts bawling while Cindy Lou Hoo is playing with her dolls by her swing set. I hate to hear a deer bawling when I’m miles away from any human much less in there backyard. I’m thrilled they have places that allow urban hunting. Would hate to ruin that. Every shot is a risk assessment event. To each there own.
 
I don't have much comment on "ethical distances" or shots. I do agree that every man has the ability to decide for themselves based off of personal conviction as to what their ethics are, but what does bother me is when people imply that a life isn't valuable. Personally, I believe every animals life holds value and there should be a level of respect when you're taking it. When I was a child I used to slaughter birds. There were several days I would kill over 100 with my little daisy red rider and i'd just leave them laying. Thinking back on those days it makes me cringe to think of how bad I neglected and abused creation.

I have made a few bad shots in my life, and if i'm being honest I even made one this week with my longbow and it eats me up that I did not do my job. When I release an arrow or pull a trigger my goal is to put down the animal as quickly and humanely as possible. That is the heart of my ethics and that does limit my range. It's not about my ability to shoot, it's about their ability to react.
 
HuumanCreed said:
I feel that this is similar to the idea that people rather eat the burger but doesnt want to know how the patty was processed. While my faith in humanity has been slowly fading, I hope most of the people that watch these videos have some common sense that this is the rare exception, not the norm. I dont think any real hunter would take a 100+ yards shot cold turkey without ton of practices and successful harvests at closer distances.

Maybe these rare success videos like these will intrigue newcomers, that they get a preview of what they 'think' is the ultimate state of markesmanship. So they get into the sport full steam ahead and think they can do that in a few months. But as they go on the journey, they find that its not as easy as it look, that the bond with nature is so much more profound than simply hitting a deer at long distance. That actually releasing an arrow is 1% of being a hunter, all the prep time and planning it goes into hunting might open their eyes. Because I doubt they would be able to even see a deer, let alone be able to take a shot until they understand you cant just put on some camo and walk around the wood unless you want to waste a few dozen hours.

When I first got into archery, I thought I was going to be able to robin hood at 100 yards in a few month. Now I'm happy grouping at 40 yards.
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Sure. Or they figure that they can't bother with the work of archery but "hey I can shoot these deer that are eatin' my flowers!", get a noisy-ass crossbow, start lobbing bolts, and are shocked when the deer jumps the string, takes a step at the wrong time, etc. Obviously exaggerated, but there are a lot of best practices and common sense that probably aren't immediately apparent to a complete novice.

Again, I'm sure that he's an excellent shot and that the shot is repeatable. And he's experienced with his equipment and how deer react to it (and honestly the more I think about that, maybe 60 is better than 40 anyway, just based on less noise to react to?) as well as deer behavior in general. I figure/hope that he also has a great feel for whatever the "neighborhood" is - general receptiveness to hunters and game retrieval, any known no-go zones, known militant anti-hunters, etc. I'd also hope that it's not a "burner" opportunity/location for him, in that he doesn't want to accept undue risk that he or others get cut off from future hunts there.

What burns me a bit is much more the promotion of long shots on about the worst critter to take a long shot at, in an environment where the consequences of a marginal shot are higher, than it is the shot itself and any "ethics" associated with that. I understand and appreciate the need to promote and make his money...but damn if that's not a fine line.
 
swampsnyper said:
60 plus yard shots are very common out west or in ag field areas. I don’t see it as an unethical distance. A lot more chance of a deer moving from your shot at closer distances where they will actually react to the sound of the shot. If I practiced at that distance or above, I’d have no problem taking the shot if I felt I had a clear shot and the deer was relaxed.
Now, shooting in someone’s neighborhood, depending on the house density, would bring up more reserve on the risk of tracking distance for a marginal shot. But being on video is no issue. That’s why they got editing software! Lmao! You can make anything look like unicorns and rainbows!
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I agree with this. A lot of places I hunted in Ca, if you couldn’t shoot 60 you should stay home. It would be very frustrating to be a bow hunter.


See you in a tree, Ricky
 
ImThere said:
Did anyone tell the mule deer or the antelope?


See you in a tree, Ricky
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I feel like mulies are more likely to head out based on marking you early, vs. taking off like a shot in response to the sound from a shot. Not to say that they won't do it, of course. Pronghorn...are definitely gonna be flighty and the other hypersensitive (US) critter that comes to mind. I haven't hunted them personally. Also based on terrain and habitat...I kinda wonder if wounding loss is less of an issue/concern with pronghorn vs whitetails, but again no first-hand knowledge.
 
I havent watched the video yet but someone mentioned above the promotion of the distance and that would be my biggest issue. I am not a fan of folks advertising shots at ranges greater than the norm. I have no issue at all with a guy taking as long of a shot as they are practiced and proficient at making. But I fail to see any tangible benefit in promotion of extended shots. The "ethical" route would be for all of us to promote and encourage hunter to to practice a lot and continually push their distances until they determine the maximum range that they are proficient at in a controlled environment and teach that in the majority of cases a shot on live game should max out short of that practice distance. I have know plenty of guys that could wear me out on the range at any distance beyond 40 yards but put hair on it and they cant hold a group inside a basketball at 20. I have also known guys that shoot avg groups at every distance they practice but 12 ring virtually every critter they ever draw on. Ultimately it is up to the individual to know what they are capable of in a hunting situation and their ethics determine if they operate within those parameters not mine.
 
Bwhana said:
This one struck a nerve for me. By definition, unethical means "against the rules, not in accords with the standards of a profession, and lacking moral principles." So what was irresponsible or unethical in his shot? It was totally legal, he has practiced at that distance and beyond, and at the end of the day had he wounded and lost it, it is still just a freaking deer, not some high $ value item, and the coyotes would eat it just like they would if it died from old age, disease, or being hit by a car. If he or anyone else chooses to shoot beyond what you consider your max, what difference does it make to you, and who gets to determine what is ethical? We don't question the mentality of guys that bought Mantis saddles and thought they were the greatest thing ever or the ethics of the company selling them as such (ok, strike that one!), but have to do the chest thump holier than thou salute because someone shot further than you can or will and got his animal in the proces? Again, its just a deer, and none of you would say a word if someone takes an "unethical" shot in a squirrel or other small game. If its legal, let it fly and it may die!
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That last bit there about “lacking moral principles” probably has something to do with it.


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I’m not going to lie....I have missed ArhceryTalk. This is wonderful!
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I actually watched the video this morning over coffee. 60 yards on a super calm,, feeding buck....meh. You could do worse. The crying and "thank you jesus" thing kinda brought out the George Carlin in me. Wonder if he'd have shook his fist at the heavens if he'd have missed?

It wasn't my cup of tea. But most hunting videos aren't. They all end up boring or weird for me. More fun to be the participant than the spectator. But I don't think we'll look back and point at this video as the day it all started going downhill for hunting rights.

Gosh, coffee Nick is a philanthropic ninny.
 
These guys" videos make me cringe. Not the ethical shot distance part. But the crying and "we worked so hard for this deer...so hard guys"

I mean...yall are hunting in someones backyard posted up against the heater to their inground pool. You put out corn in the offseason and drove back to check the trail cams n freshen up the pile. "checkin the wind" in the driveway. tracked him by driving around the community and found him layin in a parkin lot???

well damn sometimes im hikin 2 miles into public every hunt just to get away from other hunters far enough to find decent buck sign and dragging it back out of there after a kill. Never bragged about how hard i work. i just thought that was hunting.

They got me scratchin my head for sure. THP hunts are the best ive watched
 
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