I’ve thought about this. I can see it going up but I think coming down would be dicey.
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I’ve thought about this. I can see it going up but I think coming down would be dicey.
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I would expect the opposite. Going down would feel easier as you likely only need one aider to get down based on the stepp spacing.
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That's possible. That is exactly why I feel going down with the RS aider is so easy. I was thinking that trying to do it with another aider would be dicey though. With my short legs I'm not sure I could reach the bottom step going down with one aider if I used 2 to go up. I guess there's only one way to find out...
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I wouldn't do another aider. too busy. Use a multistep aider on your current aider. It works great. Aider climbing without the dangle factor.
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This is what I'm envisioning- Maybe a prussik on the main tether with an aider hanging off that. The prussik will make it adjustable for different trees. Then the rest of it is just the normal RS aider. We on the same page?
The only thing I'm not sure about with that is I like to be able to have 1 foot on something solid. I've never been a fan of using a multistep aider. But I think its a pretty good idea and I'll give it a shot.
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No prussic. I wish I had more time to grab the right gear out of my truck but my 2 year old son is being 2 and my older boy isn't helping.
I quick threw this up on the squat rack as a visual aid. 5 steps is overkill. you really only need 2-3 loops with the stepps if you set them very high. If I were doing the aider dangle method (no stepps), this is my setup.
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A 2 year old being 2??? I know that feeling lol!!No prussic. I wish I had more time to grab the right gear out of my truck but my 2 year old son is being 2 and my older boy isn't helping.
I quick threw this up on the squat rack as a visual aid. 5 steps is overkill. you really only need 2-3 loops with the stepps if you set them very high. If I were doing the aider dangle method (no stepps), this is my setup.
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I think I follow you now. So you are just stepping into the bottom of you aider like I am with 1 step, using the ascender to raise it up like I am, then instead of stepping onto the stepp, you just continue climbing however many steps on your aider.
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When I had a chance to play with the steps at saddlepalooza I found that I liked the pine trees better than the Oaks. Which was to my own surprise as I figured I would be just the opposite from reading reviews and watching videos. It did take a minute to snug each knot and cam a second time on most steps. I found in the oak trees it was not easier to get the step to cam tight. The knot placement or rope tension was much more critical as the wood was harder and the step did not bite in as deep. They also had a much higher tendency of wanting to roll side-to-side once you got on them. I definitely never felt unsafe in either tree, nor that the step was going to come out from under my foot in the oak. I could see that being a bit unnerving for some people. I also found the Cain method to work extremely well. I would have to ask Boudreaux if he remembers, but I believe I was 28 ft on eight steps. I mostly remember being surprised and I think he was as well. I'm curious to see what your opinions are after you start playing the oak trees. I really like these as a climbing method they are indeed the thing that first sparked my interest in hunting out of the saddle. I just can't decide if my dislike for them in the oak tree is enough to overcome so little bit of use that they would see as I do not tend to hunt pine trees ever. If you(or anyone else) have any suggestions or tips that may help in the Oaks or other smooth barked trees my ears are pricked.
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bingo. having a multistep aider just gives you options while carrying less stepps. You don't necessarily have to use the extra aider steps. But you get by with less stepps in your pack. 5-6 stepps (lbs) with a multistep aider gets you to 30 feet vs. carrying 8 stepps (lbs) and a single step aider. You could use the single aider step method (with the multistep aider) at typical hunting heights and save the multistep option for the days you need to go up 30+ feet.
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Goal accomplished.
I’m short so I figured 6ft was the highest I could tie above head comfortably. That’s how it seemed to work out. I wanted to use the small 8 steps pack at 8#s and be able to do away with a linemans belt and aiders and have a platform at 18ft.
That’s exactly how it worked out. Step number 6 is my top step and I have a step on each side for my platform. Climbing was easy with the Cain method. Putting the steps on the side of the top step was a little difficult to cam over when it’s not in front of you. And to get up on the platform without a step above to pull up on was a little difficult. I used the big carabiner on my tree tether as a pull up but it wasn’t as nice as pulling up on a step. I’m gonna try a few things to work this out.
I’m short so I figured 6ft was the highest I could tie above head comfortably. That’s how it seemed to work out. I wanted to use the small 8 steps pack at 8#s and be able to do away with a linemans belt and aiders and have a platform at 18ft.
That’s exactly how it worked out. Step number 6 is my top step and I have a step on each side for my platform. Climbing was easy with the Cain method. Putting the steps on the side of the top step was a little difficult to cam over when it’s not in front of you. And to get up on the platform without a step above to pull up on was a little difficult. I used the big carabiner on my tree tether as a pull up but it wasn’t as nice as pulling up on a step. I’m gonna try a few things to work this out.
well you can use just RS aider and get 4 feet a step but 5 feet a step with two aiders is not a far stretch for my stride. 18 inches to 2 feet strides on comfortable depending on clothing your wearing .
swampsnyper
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Just went try it on an ash and a hickory. Seems to bite harder and snap over better to me. I’ll keep playing with it.
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My wife just watched the kids a bit a go and I had a chance to measure max height with 6 stepps. I got to 38 feet with six stepps measured with a reel tape. I could probably get to 39 feet as 6.5 feet is doable. So 5 stepps (lbs) to 30+ feet is definitely doable using this method. I have a couple more tweaks in mind for my method but this looks promising so far. I'll start a new thread soon.
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I’m really liking this idea. I used the rs method no problem but one additional step in the aider can translate into another 3 feet easily and make the step up a bit less ambitious. So how are going about stepping onto the stepp if you use 2 loops? Or are you going from 1 to 3? I climb with the tether to the left so I step into the aider with my left then onto the stepp with my right. With a second loop in the aider I’d be wrong footed. I’m not sure I would need a 3rd loop as I can get to nipple height with just one loop.
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At 6.5 foot spacing I would recommend a minimum of a 3 step 36" aider. You can always adjust the drape with the ropeman. 4 step (48") or 5 step (60") work as well and better in cold weather. just tweak the drape with the ropeman
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Peterk1234
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I am getting about 24 feet with six steps, a platform, and my whoopie aider. I have been tempted to try a multi step but I would be a bit concerned on the way down, in the dark, with a pile of clothes on probably freezing my butt off. Has anybody been using the multi on a regular basis while hunting?
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I've done it for years with 20 -24 inch climbing sticks. Same principle. Smaller packed up package. This actually feels safer as the aider isn't attached to the stick or stepp. you also aren't left with an aider flopping in the wind.
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Do you have a picture of your whoppie aider. And what diameter of rope ? Was the adjustable end of the foot loop or the top loop.
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I did last fall No issues with a multi step aider Just the steps were too close together
110 inches on the first stick and aider. It was a black diamond 6 step aider. It would work on WE steps.
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Peterk1234
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I am using 1/8 inch amsteel and I threaded it through some tubular webbing (I covered the webbing with camo tape). The foot is adjustable with the tag end near the top so it is easy to adjust it. If you go to the Red Squirrel Aider Thread you will see a short vid I put up of me using it.
