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Wild Edge Stepps ordered

Ontariofarmer said:
I did last fall No issues with a multi step aider Just the steps were too close together

110 inches on the first stick and aider. It was a black diamond 6 step aider. It would work on WE steps.


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That is impressive. The highest I could get my sticks with aiders was about 7.5 feet or 90 inches. Each stick got me 7.5 feet so 4 sticks got me to 30 feet. Last fall I was thinking if I could get the sticks down to less than 1.5 lbs I would have a great method to get to 30 feet at 6 lbs of total weight. Turns out I could have got there with 5 lbs of Stepps. All you can do is laugh at yourself some days.

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BassBoysLLP said:
That is impressive. The highest I could get my sticks with aiders was about 7.5 feet or 90 inches. Each stick got me 7.5 feet so 4 sticks got me to 30 feet. Last fall I was thinking if I could get the sticks down to less than 1.5 lbs I would have a great method to get to 30 feet at 6 lbs of total weight. Turns out I could have got there with 5 lbs of Stepps. All you can do is laugh at yourself some days.

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It was easy to get 110 inches I attached one stick temporarily to the tree and placed the first stick on the tree using the temporarily placed stick and put my aider on it and climbed. I then carried the temporarily placed stick up the tree I only got 90 inches on the next sticks Three sticks 24 feet plus 2 feet to my ameristeps... 5 pounds and 26 feet.


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@denots I use mine on oak and pines. The oaks do have to be tighter. It gets easier to get them right the first time the more you youse them. Tightening the rope after cramming over the first time is usually easy. Just flip the stepp up grab the tail end close to the step and wiggle the rope as you pull on it. No need to loosen the knot. I find if I loosen the knot and push rope through it usually winds up too tight to cam.
 
BassBoysLLP said:
That is impressive. The highest I could get my sticks with aiders was about 7.5 feet or 90 inches. Each stick got me 7.5 feet so 4 sticks got me to 30 feet. Last fall I was thinking if I could get the sticks down to less than 1.5 lbs I would have a great method to get to 30 feet at 6 lbs of total weight. Turns out I could have got there with 5 lbs of Stepps. All you can do is laugh at yourself some days.

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I was trying WE steps with the Cain method and with an aider. For me I am certain I will not use that method. I have rotary cuff issues with my left shoulder and all that movement over my head is beyond me. I guess hockey is hard on the shoulder.
I am sure that I will use three 1.5 pound sticks and aiders. Three sticks are easier to attach over my head especially with a cam cleat.
They are bulkier but attached the outside of my pack that is a non issue.. They do not weigh much. And they are way faster and easier to attach than WE steps too.
If these 1.3 pound sticks work that are being tested... even better.
With one bad shoulder We steps are not for me and anyone else who has physical limitations due to shoulder issues.
I think I can be quieter with sticks too.
 
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Ontariofarmer said:
It was easy to get 110 inches I attached one stick temporarily to the tree and placed the first stick on the tree using the temporarily placed stick and put my aider on it and climbed. I then carried the temporarily placed stick up the tree I only got 90 inches on the next sticks Three sticks 24 feet plus 2 feet to my ameristeps... 5 pounds and 26 feet.


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Ah. That makes complete sense now. Thanks for clarifying. good idea btw. I'm going to try the next with the stepps and try to hit 40 feet with 6 stepps!

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BassBoysLLP said:
Ah. That makes complete sense now. Thanks for clarifying. good idea btw.

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You could do it twice and gain another 20 inches on your second stick. I never bothered. 28 feet.

It is super quick and easy with the first stick.
 
Ontariofarmer said:
It was easy to get 110 inches I attached one stick temporarily to the tree and placed the first stick on the tree using the temporarily placed stick and put my aider on it and climbed. I then carried the temporarily placed stick up the tree I only got 90 inches on the next sticks Three sticks 24 feet plus 2 feet to my ameristeps... 5 pounds and 26 feet.


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Ah. That makes complete sense now. Thanks for clarifying. good idea btw. I'm going to try that next with the stepps and try to hit 40 feet with 6 stepps!


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Yeah, I would only want to do it after the first stepp. But definitely something to consider if I get my freelance pack down to 4 stepps. Might not be worth the squeeze. I don't know if I'd like 7.5 foot spacing on the way down. pushing the limits way too much.

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BassBoysLLP said:
Ah. That makes complete sense now. Thanks for clarifying. good idea btw. I'm going to try that next with the stepps and try to hit 40 feet with 6 stepps!

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Yeah, I would only want to do it after the first stepp. But definitely something to consider if I get my freelance pack down to 4 stepps. Might not be worth the squeeze. I don't know if I'd like 7.5 foot spacing on the way down. pushing the limits way too much.

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With practice I never had a problem coming down. The black diamond aider does not have a big distance between steps. I did not like that. But maybe the short steps mean more stability because my knee was not bent much to get to the next step... but more foot fishing.
 
Ontariofarmer said:
With practice I never had a problem coming down. The black diamond aider does not have a big distance between steps. I did not like that. But maybe the short steps mean more stability because my knee was not bent much to get to the next step... but more foot fishing.
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Yeah, this is common on rock climbing aiders as position is everything on a rock wall. Move per step, not so much. If you are too high on a crimp you will peel off the wall.

I don't have an issue with most aiders unless they are the low profile alpine type. Once I get my foot in the first step I just walk up like a ladder. Takes seconds. I also liked the lesser distance during the cold weather season. Maybe not that small, but it helps. When I used red's method in December last year, I struggled more with heavier clothes. I never had issues with sticks and aiders. I sweat up less with the aider stepps. This keeps me on stand longer and more comfortable when hunting in temps closer to zero than freezing.

Good times. I have a few ideas brewing.

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I don't have that much of an issue getting down. Maybe it's use of these aiders for a few years now. Once I have my weight secured on the top stepp I simply lower myself to the next stepp. Going down is easy and faster already. Key for me is to be able to have both hands on the top stepp while touching the bottom step. This is also why I am reluctant to push the stepp spacing any farther.

I have nothing against rappelling though. That has the biggest fun factor. If I figure out 7.5 foot spacing I may go that route.

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BassBoysLLP said:
I have nothing against rappelling though. That has the biggest fun factor. If I figure out 7.5 foot spacing I may go that route.
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I agree. I'm rappelling using the Cain climb method with only 3.5 foot spacing. I'm willing to carry the extra rope length just to give me the option. I find it easy to remove the steps hanging beside them and I just like rappelling down.
 
swampsnyper said:
Wooooooo! I think I got a little over excited getting my new WE stepps in and climbed too much yesterday. Everything is sore! Abs, back, shoulders. Lol
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Bwahahahaha! Now you have to be in saddle shape and Cain method shape!


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A typical day hunting won’t be any where close to yesterday’s experimental climbing. Lol just trying to find my system.
 
BassBoysLLP said:
Yeah, this is common on rock climbing aiders as position is everything on a rock wall. Move per step, not so much. If you are too high on a crimp you will peel off the wall.

I don't have an issue with most aiders unless they are the low profile alpine type. Once I get my foot in the first step I just walk up like a ladder. Takes seconds. I also liked the lesser distance during the cold weather season. Maybe not that small, but it helps. When I used red's method in December last year, I struggled more with heavier clothes. I never had issues with sticks and aiders. I sweat up less with the aider stepps. This keeps me on stand longer and more comfortable when hunting in temps closer to zero than freezing.

Good times. I have a few ideas brewing.

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Getting down is easy with Cain’s method and 3.5 ft spacing. I don't use an aider for that. Just lower myself till my foot touches the Stepp then undo the Stepp over my head and repeat.
I think when there is a big spacing between Stepps (like 6-7 feet) it makes sense to rappel down.
I was using a 5 step aider and that spacing is 6.5-7 feet per Stepp. I didn’t like feeding my feet in the aider in the dark trying to get down in winter clothes. I couldn't feel the loops with my insulated boots on. It was much easier to rappel down stopping at each Stepp to take it off the tree and work my way down. I liked being tied into the tree with my rappel rope when I had the 7 foot spacing.
 
Nice. I'm not tall enough for 7 foot spacing. Would be nice. I could drop to 4 lbs of stepps and be happy. That would get me to exactly 30 feet stepping up 2 feet to my platform.

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When I tried really large step spacing the sketchy thing for me was that there was a moment in time where I'd have one foot in an aider loop and two hands on the tree. So if it kicked out I'd be likely to lose my grip and slide down to the step below. Whereas spacing them closer allows for two hands on the step above until you're at the point where you also have two feet on the step below. Very solid.

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