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John Eberharts Scent Control

Are you serious! Ann Arbor is in Washtenaw County so does that mean I hunted in suburban Ann Arbor, NO never. When I was young and lived in Southern Michigan which is where Livingston and Washtenaw counties are I hunted Pinckney Recreation Area in Livingston and out near Whitmore Lake in Washtenaw county which is 15 miles from Ann Arbor.

As I said before, I've never taken a book buck in a suburban area, yes I hunted in a suburban area a couple years, but never took a book buck.

WOW, can't believe you wrote that.

Hey man I was just questioning it. You said in the post before that if it were true then you wouldn’t blame me for questioning it. No need to get so defensive about it, I never responded and doubled down on questioning where you killed them. The thread is about scent control and I was stating that I believe you hunt areas where the deer are very tolerant of human scent. I think scent lock and scent control products are a scam and there’s nothing that will convince me otherwise. I’ve seen a video of a drug dog sniffing pot that was wrapped in aluminum foil, then vacuum sealed, then stuffed in a vans gas tank. I also heard in a recent meat eater podcast that police K-9 units had real concerns about these products hitting the shelves so they had tested them for themselves and found them to be not effective. Personally I think that you deserve more credit for your ability to find these trophy deer, develop a hunt plan and kill them with your tactics rather than giving scent lock the credit.
 
So, just a quick question. Would you set up upwind of what you know to be a mature bucks bedding area? I would also pose this question to Mr. Eberhart.
Yes I would. I do not play the wind.

Do the deer smell me? Who knows. And it's why this age old argument is stupid to me. People who use scent control believe in it and people who don't criticize them. I kill deer every year without playing the wind and I have fun while doing it :)
 
Yes I would. I do not play the wind.

Do the deer smell me? Who knows. And it's why this age old argument is stupid to me. People who use scent control believe in it and people who don't criticize them. I kill deer every year without playing the wind and I have fun while doing it :)
I'm having a hard time understanding the response. You've never been winded by a deer? I have been hunting deer for 40 yrs. , and I have seen a deers reaction to my scent. both airborne and ground scent. I have watched a buck cross the trail of hunters I have seen walk through my stand site. He picked up exactly where they crossed, and they crossed over 2 hrs. before he did. I had a doe and two fawns come down in front of me and off to my north in thick hemlock and white pine forest. That doe pulled up and held her fawns for 5 minutes before she turned around and took them back the way they came. She was headed to bed in the morning. I know where she was going. I thought to myself, that she knew something was up. When I got down I went up through those pines to the north and sure enough there was a spot at the base of a tree where a ground hunter scratched off the leaves and needles for a place to stand. Fresh that morning, no question.He and I were no more than 70 yds apart, yet I hadn't heard him come in ,and he didn't know I was there. He had no idea that those doe were coming in behind him and I know for a fact that he never even knew they were there, yet they were less than 60 yds from him. So the response "do the deer smell me?" Who knows. is a little confusing. I'm glad you are successful, and more importantly you have fun hunting your way. So in my helpful way let me answer your questions, yes the deer do smell you, and I know.
 
I'm having a hard time understanding the response. You've never been winded by a deer? I have been hunting deer for 40 yrs. , and I have seen a deers reaction to my scent. both airborne and ground scent. I have watched a buck cross the trail of hunters I have seen walk through my stand site. He picked up exactly where they crossed, and they crossed over 2 hrs. before he did. I had a doe and two fawns come down in front of me and off to my north in thick hemlock and white pine forest. That doe pulled up and held her fawns for 5 minutes before she turned around and took them back the way they came. She was headed to bed in the morning. I know where she was going. I thought to myself, that she knew something was up. When I got down I went up through those pines to the north and sure enough there was a spot at the base of a tree where a ground hunter scratched off the leaves and needles for a place to stand. Fresh that morning, no question.He and I were no more than 70 yds apart, yet I hadn't heard him come in ,and he didn't know I was there. He had no idea that those doe were coming in behind him and I know for a fact that he never even knew they were there, yet they were less than 60 yds from him. So the response "do the deer smell me?" Who knows. is a little confusing. I'm glad you are successful, and more importantly you have fun hunting your way. So in my helpful way let me answer your questions, yes the deer do smell you, and I know.

I've been winded by plenty of deer. Most of them before I had a scent control routine.
 
I’m not here to criticize anyone’s system only share what 40 + years of hunting has taught me. If you believe in whatever you use go for it. I just don’t like the younger guys being taught “ forget the wind just hunt “ thinking.


For all the carbon suit guys let me ask you this. WOULD YOU GO HUNT LOIN ,
CABE BUFFALO ETC.
something that can hunt you back” with no care of what the wind direction is ?

When it comes to deer sure if your after seeing “deer”maybe not caring about the wind will work . But if your after A CERTAIN DEER things change.
 
I’m not here to criticize anyone’s system only share what 40 + years of hunting has taught me. If you believe in whatever you use go for it. I just don’t like the younger guys being taught “ forget the wind just hunt “ thinking.


For all the carbon suit guys let me ask you this. WOULD YOU GO HUNT LOIN ,
CABE BUFFALO ETC.
something that can hunt you back” with no care of what the wind direction is ?


When it comes to deer sure if your after seeing “deer”maybe not caring about the wind will work . But if your after A CERTAIN DEER things change.

Now that paints a different picture. Id love to watch the video of that hunt. Guide....shoot, shoot already. Hunter....relax he thinks were way further away than what we really are.
 
Ozone is the game changer. If they work as well as I think they do or....will as time goes on. But, I know.....repeat KNOW that a deer upwind will not smell me and I've learned that watching my entrance also is big. We cannot say 100 percent about anything else yet. If you use woodsmanship like great hunters of old as well as new technology....i.e. scentlok and ozone we should be able to be better at harvesting animals. Let's not get carried away....its about having fun.....ain't it?
 
@Treehopper2, sorry, couldn't resist. Jack's a dull boy on a Monday.

To answer your question, I'd love to not be a scent control agnostic. I've never been able to pick a side, which means I get it from both ends. If I was hunting something that could hunt me back, I'd want the wind in my favor, but I wouldn't turn down a scentlok suit either. That's the honest, no BS response.
 
@Treehopper2, sorry, couldn't resist. Jack's a dull boy on a Monday.

To answer your question, I'd love to not be a scent control agnostic. I've never been able to pick a side, which means I get it from both ends. If I was hunting something that could hunt me back, I'd want the wind in my favor, but I wouldn't turn down a scentlok suit either. That's the honest, no BS response.
The real question is, would you spend hundreds of dollars for one??
 
The real question is, would you spend hundreds of dollars for one??

The thing is if you watch sales and clearance you can get Scent loc cheaper than a lot of other quality clothes. Make no mistake Scent loc is quality clothing. With the added benefit of carbon clothing. Does it work? In my mind no doubt about it. But if it helps a little bit. I’m all in.


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Come on guys! Lets all have some mutual respect for each other......especially for John. We all know carbon works well! Not everyone is as thorough as John. Hunting higher will help disperse molecules i.e. "The solution to pollution is dilution". Let's all understand that each one has an opinion that is based upon experience and knowledge. I think that we can do well to remember that!
I agree with almost all of this.
I’m not sure why “Especially John”. Everyone needs to show everyone equal respect. No one deserves it more or less.


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The real question is, would you spend hundreds of dollars for one??
ScentLok is not priced exorbitantly high. Hunting clothing in general is stupid-expensive. I paid $100 for my Savanna tops and bottoms. While I can't definitively state that they have any merit as scent control, i can objectively say that they didnt cost any more than the average camo outfit in my closet, and they have been comfortable.

Cost is frankly irrelevant if you can afford to saddle hunt. This crowd isn't sitting on a bucket with grandpappy's ole shotgun after milking the cows in the evening, unless that's their thing.
 
I agree with almost all of this.
I’m not sure why “Especially John”. Everyone needs to show everyone equal respect. No one deserves it more or less.


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I guess I was just thinking of him trying to help other people be better hunters
 
These "either-or" debates on odor reduction vs hunting the wind make my butt tired.
Very few of us, for a variety of reasons, can soly rely on one or the other.

Does carbon work? Yes, to a degree. But there is so much more to odor reduction than just wearing a carbon suit. Very few hunters have the discipline to follow a strict odor regimen.
Hell, few even have the AWARENESS of all the numerous details of an odor reduction scheme, let alone employ the necessary dedication to pull it off.

Hunt the wind? That works, too...but, also only to a certain degree. Of course, if a deer is never down wind or never encounters ground odor, then hunting the wind is 100%.

How many of us have minimum acreage to hunt which limits where and when we can hunt? How many of us have only 1 or 2 access routes that aren't really very low impact?

Once again...there are a lot of hunters that have no awareness of what "down wind"really is. We often alert, and more importantly, EDUCATE deer before we even arrive at, (what we think) is a well thought out stand for wind.

There is another thread about pruners vs saws. Guys are talking about busting brush or breaking branches along their access route with bare hands...Educating the herd? You bet! Total lack of awareness.

How about defining "down wind".
Our scent cone isn't a well defined and consistent line. It billows and fades as the wind takes it away. Take a look at the smoke coming out of your wood burner pipe. 6" wide and dense as it leaves the chimney. 30 yards away and the smoke stream spreads to 20 yards wide, but less dense. Then it encounters an eddy, or an updraft or downdraft. The edges become even less intense or defind. The edges of the smoke stream fades out on the edges. Is the smell of smoke nearly as strong as it is in the core of the smoke stream? No it is not.
Does deer "A" behave just like deer "B" when they encounter the fringes of the fringes of our scent cone? Definately not.

And we can't control where the wind takes that stream, either. Once again, a lot of us only have limited areas to hunt among complex terrain and structure where wind behavior often changes throughout the day...from dawn till dusk, wind patterns change. I contend that there are deer down wind and smell us and we never knew they were there.

Then, there are the deer that walk thru an hour after dark. I swear they explore odors. Ever watch a deer trail a hunter's route? I have many times.
They know we were there. We are home eating dinner and deer are exploring and examining all the odors we left behind. Ever wonder why stands go cold after a hunt or 2?

Minimizing odor busts ain't just about showering, brushing teeth and wearing a carbon suit we kept in a tub.
Each one of those 3 things has a multitude of aspects and a right or wrong way of doing them.

And...
Minimizing odor busts ain't just about hunting the predicted, prevailing wind. Blowing a puff bottle or releasing the occasional floater may tell you what the wind is doing at that moment, but do you really UNDERSTAND wind patterns? Not many guys do.

Minimizing odor busts...
Its about paying strict attention to as many details as possible.
Few of us can rely on one detail and ignore the others.
John pulls it off, but not many guys have the diligence to do what needs done, day in and day out...it take an enormous amount of dedication. And I do believe he gets busted, but to what extent? Certainly not to levels enough to consistently ruin hunts.

A lot of guys say this is taking the fun out of hunting...I say, its all part of the fun.

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Food for thought. Officers tell me they tried putting drugs in containers or wrapping it, then into containers. Nothing works because the scent is always falling and contaminates the outside of the container. That being said humans are constantly shedding scent. You are contaminating your clothes on the outside just putting them on and walking to your stand unless your head and face are covered and you somehow held your breath.
 
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