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Why don't yall 2TC? - ultralight rope technique

DanD said:
@NMSbowhunter thats how I hang my gear. I swing the foot tether to my right on the tree and put the backpack in the carabiner. I put my bow on the left side on a genesis 3d printed tether bow hanger. The weight of the backpack locks the foot tether in place and the bow hook is really solid.
the Foot tether (that I’m not connected to in any way) is pushed up right under my normal tether and helps keep it in place so I don’t need another lock to keep it from loosening when I de-weight it
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Beautiful use of gear
 
MNFarmHunter said:
After seeing @NMSbowhunter's picture with the ROS, I decided to continue my tradition of changing things after the hunt starts and bought an ROS set. I've gone back and forth on them since the beginning but these would further reduce weight and carry size.

Hello, my name is Mnfarmhunt and I have a problem...
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What set did you get?
 
Did my first 2TC hunt yesterday with SRT gear and the CGM footloop. Swabish hitch above grigri+.


Really thinking about getting a different rope to use as 75ft of tuffleberger platinum is too long and doesn't move up the tree easily
 
Hall17 said:
I wish I liked ROS but I need a platform. I do like some some steps though with my Perch. Nice combo. I really like the idea of the packability of the ROS with 2TC but I can’t get comfortable enough with ROS by themselves
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Are you primarily a leaner of sitter? I think sitters have a better time with a ROS. I sit about 80%.
 
That's my problem.

I lean about 70% of the time but I push off the edge of the platform like I would a ROS. Same holds true when moving around the tree. The only time I "need" a platform is during setup/teardown as I like to stand freely as opposed to hanging from a tether. It is, however, dumb to carry the size and weight for something I only "need" for 2% of the hunt.

Who knows. I'll either like them or they'll pop up in the classified.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
Are you primarily a leaner of sitter? I think sitters have a better time with a ROS. I sit about 80%.
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I am a sitter but I like putting my knees into the tree. I’ve tried straddling the tree with ROS and just cannot relax my body enough to be comfortable. I am 80% sit with a pad on the tree
 
08A270FA-7C30-4E1D-BA1F-4B6588806FDC.jpegHere’s the setup i mentioned above. You can see the backpack hangloop as well as a string on my quiver, and my rangefinder all hanging from theextra friction hitch/carabiner on my foot tether. On the left, the bow is on a 3d printed hanger and the whole foot tether helps hold the quick link in place.
 
SNIPERBBB said:
Did my first 2TC hunt yesterday with SRT gear and the CGM footloop. Swabish hitch above grigri+.


Really thinking about getting a different rope to use as 75ft of tuffleberger platinum is too long and doesn't move up the tree easily
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I tried my first 2TC end of last season with a gri gri +. The gri gri was the problem, heavy and noisy, and slips down the rope when slack is on the rope. if like me you want to be able to rappel down in case of emergency, I’d recommend an ATC with a michochoan or other hitch above while climbing and hunting, then wrap an autoblock on your linesman when you’re done hunting for a very controlled rappel. Of course if you change now, you’ll need to sacrifice some hunting time, and practice the rappel a lot at low levels, with people around, not alone in the woods in the dark.
 
Forecast yesterday was for some rain, but was supposed to stop around 3. i typically don’t hunt/climb trees in the rain, but decided i was out, and found a nice spot in a new area with some sign. Had the big lacrosse rubber boots on, and climbed a basketball size tree. Took a little more effort and stress with the wet conditions, and on the low side of a slight lean, but no real issue at all. (Only because i put in some time practicing this in the summer) Only went to about 14 ft. recently added a genesys bow hanger, and a tether hook. They definitely help, but i think the delta link will always make it a bit trickier than those guys climbing with standard tethers. Will address that next year, i like @Red Beard solution, and the carabiner on a girth hitch move, but not ready to be an early adopter alone, in the woods in the dark. I think the best part of my setup is the beefy cgm footloop, and this was the MVP in an uneventful slick bark climb. i run it without the back strap thing on it. I’d really like to actually kill a deer on 2TC, but it didn’t stop raining, and nothing came through. Had a squirrely rappel in the rain, but nothing too bad, and i updated the mammut smart 2.0 thread as a heads up on that. I’m very much liking the fact that i get to the tree, set my bow aside, tie my rappel rope to the bow, put rappel/upper tether, then foot tether on tree, and start climbing. Only reason not to 2TC, is effort. For me, it is work, and i am a bit hot at the end of the climb. Still, this is my go to for the remainder of the season.
 
Yesterday was the first hunting climb this year. It was raining and I started climbing with tethers. I really don't like the way I slide laterally when it's wet, so I came back down after one transition. Only needed to get above the tall broomstraw so I could see the field so I ended up just placing my platform around 7' and climbing up to it with a 3 step aider. After that initial debacle, I started feeling that it will be unlikely I climb higher than 7'-ish in the rain again.
 
Red Beard said:
Yesterday was the first hunting climb this year. It was raining and I started climbing with tethers. I really don't like the way I slide laterally when it's wet, so I came back down after one transition. Only needed to get above the tall broomstraw so I could see the field so I ended up just placing my platform around 7' and climbing up to it with a 3 step aider. After that initial debacle, I started feeling that it will be unlikely I climb higher than 7'-ish in the rain again.
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the lateral slide you’re referring to, you mean when you have your weight on the footloop, your plant foot tends to slide laterally? For some reason, the lacrosse boot wrapped around and the beefy footloop gripped pretty well for me. I was doing many, slow short 6-8” moves kind of planning for a slip, but it was pretty steady.
 
TommyDee said:
the lateral slide you’re referring to, you mean when you have your weight on the footloop, your plant foot tends to slide laterally? For some reason, the lacrosse boot wrapped around and the beefy footloop gripped pretty well for me. I was doing many, slow short 6-8” moves kind of planning for a slip, but it was pretty steady.
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I described the same lateral movements in last weeks report though @Red Beard describes it better. Using a double foot loop did resolve this slippage on the way down but is was a very precarious climb up.
 
TommyDee said:
the lateral slide you’re referring to, you mean when you have your weight on the footloop, your plant foot tends to slide laterally? For some reason, the lacrosse boot wrapped around and the beefy footloop gripped pretty well for me. I was doing many, slow short 6-8” moves kind of planning for a slip, but it was pretty steady.
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Yes. My style is to dig the type of my footwear into the tree. On wet, slick trees, I experience a lot of toe sliding to one side or the other. Not very confidence inspiring.
 
TommyDee said:
I tried my first 2TC end of last season with a gri gri +. The gri gri was the problem, heavy and noisy, and slips down the rope when slack is on the rope. if like me you want to be able to rappel down in case of emergency, I’d recommend an ATC with a michochoan or other hitch above while climbing and hunting, then wrap an autoblock on your linesman when you’re done hunting for a very controlled rappel. Of course if you change now, you’ll need to sacrifice some hunting time, and practice the rappel a lot at low levels, with people around, not alone in the woods in the dark.
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That's why i had the swabish above. It doesn't move. Shouldn't be any noise with the grigri because it just stays put
 
Bullman Apex steps came in today and they have potential. Obviously, they don't offer the space of a true platform but are also 2# lighter than a platform. Messing around between leaning and sitting, I actually like the ROS better as you end up straddling the trunk as opposed to keeping your feet closer together.

By the numbers, I'm now over 7# lighter compared to SRT.
 
MNFarmHunter said:
Bullman Apex steps came in today and they have potential. Obviously, they don't offer the space of a true platform but are also 2# lighter than a platform. Messing around between leaning and sitting, I actually like the ROS better as you end up straddling the trunk as opposed to keeping your feet closer together.

By the numbers, I'm now over 7# lighter compared to SRT.
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I like a ring of steps too. I have not used a platform much. I've never hunted with a platform. I like the low weight of the ring and the maneuverability.
Straddling the tree is pretty comfortable. I alternate between my knees straight to the trunk or knees together with my feet sort of kicked out a bit. If I want to rest, I put my hands between my knees and lean forward into the tether and put my head on the main tether.

Are you using a ratchet strap or an OCB to put the ring on the tree?
 
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