I love the Trad Vanes too. But I stop trying to group with them because they are really delicate! Feathers seem to ruffle better, which is funny. I have ruined 2 vanes already because the field points go right through them instead of just separating the feathers.I've had very good performance from AAE Trad Vanes, shooting them off of the shelf. They're my "go to" for rainy/snowy days. 3 white ones on my "rainy day" arrows. I like 'em so much, that I may not buy any more feathers once I run out of the ones that I have!View attachment 84671