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30-06 or 243 or 270

redsquirrel said:
I don't participate so I'm not sure but I believe it is limited. It was a big deal a couple years ago when they allowed rifles up to .25 for coyotes with ammo limitations.
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I remember back 30 years ago, there was no set limit on the caliber for varmint. Glad to see they changed it.
 
Looked but dont think anyone mentioned, what about an AR10? I know it may be sacrilegious, but thats what I hunt with and actually dont even own a bolt action. 16" Windham Weaponry with suppressor. Can get it in any large caliber, mine is 308. Weighs 7 pounds without the suppressor. Very short, carry as many bullets as you want, 1x4 adjustable scope, its perfect for anything north woods has. I wanted an all around AR10 I could use for north woods hunting, longer range hunting if needed, and SHTF rifle. Covers all the bases, almost a perfect saddle gun for me.
I think the perfect saddle gun would be 300 Blackout with an 8-10' barrel (not sub sonic ammo). Anything inside 100 yard would be DRT! This will be my next upper build.
 
Not sacrilegious at all. I built a 300 blackout for my son to hunt with. I can shoot it. He needs a shorter stock so I squeeze the lever and slide the stock in two notches. No one has to move their head all around trying to see out of the scope. With the 120 grain Barnes tac-tx it will go through any deer. It has a 16 inch barrel. Of course mine was a budget build and only cost about 50$ more than a marlin 30-30. That’s why it only shoots 1.5 inch groups which is plenty accurate within the range limitations of the cartridge. For me that’s about 150 yards without a rangefinder and dope chart.
 
EricS said:
Not sacrilegious at all. I built a 300 blackout for my son to hunt with. I can shoot it. He needs a shorter stock so I squeeze the lever and slide the stock in two notches. No one has to move their head all around trying to see out of the scope. With the 120 grain Barnes tac-tx it will go through any deer. It has a 16 inch barrel. Of course mine was a budget build and only cost about 50$ more than a marlin 30-30. That’s why it only shoots 1.5 inch groups which is plenty accurate within the range limitations of the cartridge. For me that’s about 150 yards without a rangefinder and dope chart.
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This is the route im going to go. I have an SBR'd lower and want to build a 10" blackout upper. I think that thing would be perfect with a suppressor for north woods hunting. Super light and small.
 
SH4896 said:
This is the route im going to go. I have an SBR'd lower and want to build a 10" blackout upper. I think that thing would be perfect with a suppressor for north woods hunting. Super light and small.
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That would work great. A 300 blackout is doing about all it will do with a ten inch tube. I just don’t have a sbr lower.
 
EricS said:
That would work great. A 300 blackout is doing about all it will do with a ten inch tube. I just don’t have a sbr lower.
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You could always pistol it. The "pistol" stocks they are making now are basically standard stocks, its crazy. I will never pay the tax stamp again for an SBR, waste of money when you can just make it a pistol.
 
Very true. Don’t have a suppressor either. Been considering it for a while but I wind up with can’t get just one syndrome and haven’t ordered one yet. Last time I looked at the wait times it was rather depressing.
 
Back in the 1970's I worked at Jays Sporting Goods as an archery buyer and I also gun hunted at the time. I also used to buy rifles and work up loads for them and glass bed the actions and free float the barrels for more accuracy. During that period I owned a 22 Hornet, 222, 223. 243 (.308 case necked down to .243), 6mm (same bullet as a .243 but a bit larger case), 25-06 (30-06 case necked down to .25 caliber), 264 win mag. (great caliber for deer), 270 (30-06 case necked down to .270), 308, 32 Win. special (bit more velocity than a 30-30) and a 30-30.

My favorite rifle was a .243 as I could shoot a deer's eye out at 200 yards (with some form of rest). Shot a lot of deer with it and used an 85 grain Sierra boat tail hollow point with a hand load. I liked it because it didn't kick and when a deer was hit in the chest, he would rarely go over 50 yards before dumping.

.270 though is likely the best all around caliber because they are typically more accurate than a 30 caliber cartridge and they kick a bit less. They also have a good weight range of bullets to choose from. 30 calibers have up to 220 grain bullets but they are for thick skinned animals like Elk and Moose. Typically the heavier bullets don't mushroom well on thin skinned animals like deer. The 30 caliber 150 grain bullets are more in-line for deer hunting.

264 Win. Mag is also a great and very accurate cartridge.
 
The 270 does not have the pedigree that the 30 06 has when it comes to shooting. It was developed as a military cartridge and used as a sniper round for years. I believe the accuracy is in the hands of the shooter. The .270 is essentially a necked down 30 06. I believe the accuracy comes from a flatter shooting round/higher velocity for the average hunter/shooter. I think the biggest advantage for the .270 is there is less recoil. For the average hunter there will be less of a flinch factor. The average guy probably only shoots 25 rounds a year at most. They will not practice on the range. Yet the average archer will not practice endlessly.

Just like a bow there is follow through for gun hunting. For a rifle, you must maintain that sight picture just like a bow. Very few people can maintain this without getting to the range regularly.

I posted a piece about the .270 vs 30 06 below.

By the way I am looking at getting my daughter a .243 for her college graduation gift.

http://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/270-vs-30-06/


But enough of this gun talk. Lol. It is time to get in the woods
 
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