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Acorn off yr?

You know what's crazy? I don't think I have ever seen a hot persimmon tree. We have them but they seem too always be a blank. I watch the videos by Robert Carter and Chris Spikes and Warren Womack and think "man where are my persimmons?"
I hunted an area in KY years ago and the deer wouldnt touch a persimmon there. Weirdest thing I ever remember seeing as far as deer feeding goes. Big fat ripe persimmons laying everywhere and not a deer track in sight. Made me nervous about eating deer from up there, something wrong with 'em. Our persimmons are usually regular producers but you can have years where they dont produce. Also there are male and female trees, males wont have fruit. I have shot a pile of deer on persimmons but I got away from hunting them if there are honey locust or early nuttall's because the persimmons are also big draws for bear and hogs.
 
Find the ones without thorns and keep an eye on them. On years when they make good pods, take lots of arrows.
A friend of mine and I set up a stand in a locust tree one time. I wish I had a picture of it. It was three trunked and we set the 20 foot ladder stick and Millennium bracket and stand in the middle one. We had to trim thorn clusters off the trunk and limbs as we went up. The thorns on that thing were 3 to 4 inches long and there were hundreds of clusters of 10 to 12 thorns each. If you fell out of the stand on that thing, hitting the ground would have been the least of your concerns.
 
Not an expert this is all just observation and conjecture.

Seems to me it's largely a mix of temperature and wind during pollination.

I figure a hard freeze can kill the buds and recently fertilized embryos just like it can kill other mast-producing crops. I've seen that happen a couple years notably 2020 we had a hard frost + snow in mid-May and that year was as barren as I've ever seen.

I also believe a really rapid spring greenup can cause issues, as I believe happened last year. 2021 we had a super early, fast and hot spring and the whites last year were spotty and same with reds this year. Whites produce fruit the same year, reds take 2 years. My guess is that just throws off everything's biological clock so pollination isn't as synced up? The fact that I spent ~2 months cleaning pollen off my house and car that spring would seem to indicate that vs. the normal ~2 weeks.

Oaks are wind pollinators so if you get a couple super calm or super windy days I think that can also influence pollination, possibly causing some trees to bear but not as heavily as they potentially would.

Within those factors even in the same area I often see oaks producing vs. not at different elevations. I think they probably bloom at different times at different elevations and the ones that have good conditions produce. Frost also impacts things differently at different elevations and the valleys usually frost up first thus why apple orchards have to be located higher up.

After pollination, they can experience drought or pests and we had both this summer with gypsy moths and no rain in July. Those trees now are not healthy not only this year but going into next year too so who knows what that means, some trees invest all their resources into a last-ditch reproduction effort and others will not.
I recently heard a podcast on oaks and the arborist said rainy conditions will also effect acorn production because less pollen will be airborne.
In my part of PA, there are very few acorns this year. We did have a mix of frosts and rain too. Then it got dryfor most of the summer. Not good conditions for mast production.
 
Yes, I think too much rain at the wrong time will mess them up. Too little rain later on will also mess them up. A frost after they bud will mess them up. They are generally messed up, lol.
 
I recently heard a podcast on oaks and the arborist said rainy conditions will also effect acorn production because less pollen will be airborne.
In my part of PA, there are very few acorns this year. We did have a mix of frosts and rain too. Then it got dryfor most of the summer. Not good conditions for mast production.
Heavy rains when the oaks are tasseled is generally not a good sign for acorn production. And like @NMSbowhunter mentioned a hard frost or freeze can wreck a crop too. Been several years since I have seen as close to a total mast failure as we have this year. But we had heavy spring rains and then a late summer drought with extended periods of well above normal summer temps.
 
South Central Indiana has had a great acorn year from the handful of National and State Forest properties I have walked this fall. Lots of whites and reds in almost too much abundance, to the point it became difficult to find the feeding sign that I can normally locate in the early season.
 
Little to none in the areas I’ve scouted in southern New England. FYI acorns in the white oak group develop in a single season, but the red oak group takes two years for an acorn to form.
 
Where at in the thumb? I've been out scouting a lot this season looking for fresh sign to hunt. I'm in Lapeer, and I spent all day yesterday in a huge oak forest with no sign of acorns. Went to a small piece of public a couple of weeks ago, found plenty reds on the ground but no sign of deer actively eating them. Haven't seen any whites producing or dropping.
Close to Lapeer/ Tuscola county line...kinda.
 
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