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Amsteel questions

spear0 said:
To control the ends you can
A. splice an eye at the tag end before you splice the connection side. This is my preferred method. Or you can follow this method for splicing a fixed end. splicing fixed end
B. Wrap the end with masking tape, then cut and torch end. Video
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Torching Amsteel doesn't work very well.
For the tag end, just do an end bury. Then poke a hole thru the Amsteel so it penetrates both the bury and the outer sheath and feed the shock cord thru it and form the cord loop for securing it when wrapping up the rope. The end of the amsteel wont frey in the bury and having the shock cord run thru it insures it cannot ever slip out. An end bury takes about 3" of extra Amsteel to form.

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Allegheny Tom said:
Torching Amsteel doesn't work very well.
For the tag end, just do an end bury. Then poke a hole thru the Amsteel so it penetrates both the bury and the outer sheath and feed the shock cord thru it and form the cord loop for securing it when wrapping up the rope. The end of the amsteel wont frey in the bury and having the shock cord run thru it insures it cannot ever slip out. An end bury takes about 3" of extra Amsteel to form.

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Thats where the masking tape comes in. Works fine for me.
 
spear0 said:
Yes, as I stated above my preferred method is a spliced eye as an end which is essentially a fancy bury.
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Whatever works for ya.
I'm trying to understand your thought process.
I just thought I was missing something with your "B" option. Amsteel doesn't melt. Taping it works but it's less permanent than a bury, and an end bury is so easy and takes less rope.
Why do you want a loop on the tag end?
 
That’s prolly why I went the sling route. Amsteel slippage. And the straps are crap. Load and couldn’t quickly figure out what to do with them packed.

Amsteel loops. Light. Quiet. Just find the closest loop and shove down and step up. No way it’s slipping.


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Different than Whoopie sling....


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Spence71 said:
That’s prolly why I went the sling route. Amsteel slippage. And the straps are crap. Load and couldn’t quickly figure out what to do with them packed.

Amsteel loops. Light. Quiet. Just find the closest loop and shove down and step up. No way it’s slipping.


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Is this the same as a daisy chain?


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Allegheny Tom said:
Whatever works for ya.
I'm trying to understand your thought process.
I just thought I was missing something with your "B" option. Amsteel doesn't melt. Taping it works but it's less permanent than a bury, and an end bury is so easy and takes less rope.
Why do you want a loop on the tag end?
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aside from keeping the end from fraying it works very well for girth hitching hair bands to the end for securing the line on my sticks or platform when in transport.

I started doing this a few years ago in my spearfishing setup. I rig my shooting lines with 2mm dyneema and the looped end makes it a breeze to switch set ups or change shafts. Plus the splice is way stronger than a knot and more streamline.

As far as the tape and burn method. I googled this issue when i started using the larger diameter for saddle hunting and found that method. It was simple and effective. It does only work with masking tape for some reason.
 
spear0 said:
aside from keeping the end from fraying it works very well for girth hitching hair bands to the end for securing the line on my sticks or platform when in transport.

I started doing this a few years ago in my spearfishing setup. I rig my shooting lines with 2mm dyneema and the looped end makes it a breeze to switch set ups or change shafts. Plus the splice is way stronger than a knot and more streamline.

As far as the tape and burn method. I googled this issue when i started using the larger diameter for saddle hunting and found that method. It was simple and effective. It does only work with masking tape for some reason.
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I hadn't considered that the loop would aid in girth hitching. That is a good idea.
The torch method in the video link you shared was not Amsteel rope, was it?

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spear0 said:
Thats where the masking tape comes in. Works fine for me.
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This is the result with the masking tape method on Amsteel. I did exactly as the video instructed and after the tape was removed, the strands of the Amsteel pulled apart easily.
Its not a technique for dyneema rope.
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All the daisy chain videos I've watched show doubling the rope the whole way but that seems like a waste of rope for me using 1/4". Can I just make an eye splice on one end and just double the other end where I need the daisy chains? Am I missing something or just being cheap trying to save 1-2 ft of rope?
 
Yeah. You’re cheap. Hahaha.

I doubled about 20 inches past the eye and then started the chain. No. Let’s ignore the fact that I dis 16 foot piece and maybe made a waaaaaaaaayyyy to long chain as I grabbed the wrong orange oil of rope off the floor.

Why I think I like about the chain is that I don’t have to worry about it. Like. It’s never gonna slip. Sort of the set it and forget it mentality


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Allegheny Tom said:
This is the result with the masking tape method on Amsteel. I did exactly as the video instructed and after the tape was removed, the strands of the Amsteel pulled apart easily.
Its not a technique for dyneema rope.
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I checked last night and the rope I taped and burned was not amsteel but another cheaper synthetic. Worked well on that but had the same result as you when I tried it again on the amsteel. I’ll stick to the loop!


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Here’s my first attempt at a daisy chain with amsteel
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Any critiques? I see the disadvantage to the daisy chain as I was just barely short of one loop so had to drop back to the next which left a lot of slack causing the big angle on the rope.


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Gator said:
Here’s my first attempt at a daisy chain with amsteel
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Any critiques? I see the disadvantage to the daisy chain as I was just barely short of one loop so had to drop back to the next which left a lot of slack causing the big angle on the rope.


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IME, That slack isnt an issue with sticks but I dont like slack on a predator.

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I agree the slack isn’t a problem. Just makes setting the sticks to a consistent step distance harder


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Just tried the daisy chain on a telephone pole in my yard and it would not hold. Kept slipping down the pole. Good to know


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