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Another way to keep your tether in place

tailgunner

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i love every ones concern but the paperwork is to cover their asses for insurance purposes.and what they are calling under load is far more weight than a man simply sitting in a saddle is producing in a real world aplication.and they are rated at a third of their actual breaking weight in any direction.you can break it on paper but not real life. anyways back to the stopper knot
 

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i love every ones concern but the paperwork is to cover their asses for insurance purposes.and what they are calling under load is far more weight than a man simply sitting in a saddle is producing in a real world aplication.and they are rated at a third of their actual breaking weight in any direction.you can break it on paper but not real life. anyways back to the stopper knot
The different carabiners we tested on a tensile breaking machine all broke right along their listed weight. The ones that said 31 kN broke around 7000 lbs (although they were drop tested first). I have never tested one on its minor axis or on a cross load but I would assume the manufacturer specs are pretty close to accurate. As far as generated force different saddles, different fall factors, different ropes, and different weighted people would all effect the forces generated in a fall. While no one can guarantee what force would actually be produced on the carabiner, I can assure you it is possible for a 200 lbs man to generate more than 8 kn (minor axis rating) in a fall. But that is why this is an at your own risk activity. Big brother isn’t going into the woods to be certain the right safety equipment is being used. By the way, nice car!!!
 

tailgunner

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The different carabiners we tested on a tensile breaking machine all broke right along their listed weight. The ones that said 31 kN broke around 7000 lbs (although they were drop tested first). I have never tested one on its minor axis or on a cross load but I would assume the manufacturer specs are pretty close to accurate. As far as generated force different saddles, different fall factors, different ropes, and different weighted people would all effect the forces generated in a fall. While no one can guarantee what force would actually be produced on the carabiner, I can assure you it is possible for a 200 lbs man to generate more than 8 kn (minor axis rating) in a fall. But that is why this is an at your own risk activity. Big brother isn’t going into the woods to be certain the right safety equipment is being used. By the way, nice car!!!
i stand corected,i recall posting a video where carabiners break at or just past,but close to their rating. it was straps that are rated at a third of there breaking weight
 
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IF I BREAK THIS MY CUTTY IS YOURS Fl.you a good guy,and knowledgable, you earned itView attachment 59451
IF I BREAK THIS MY CUTTY IS YOURS Fl.you a good guy,and knowledgable, you earned itView attachment 59451
My mom had a 442 when I was a small child and my dad had a 71 cougar rx with the 351 C in it. They were some amazing cars, but I am more of an old truck, 3 on the tree guy. :sweatsmile:
Seriously though I know that you understand the risks and the likelihood of generating the forces required to snap one are low. However there are guys one here who just started climbing trees this year and last, I wouldn’t want someone with little experience making an error and it end up catastrophic for them. As you’ve pointed out before, saddles are not meant to arrest a fall in the first place. They are literally a seat meant to keep you in place.
 

tailgunner

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F L.a couple years ago i looked at a 68 cougar dressed up like an eliminator.but my wife wanted to go on vacation instead.im not fearless im dumb .and considder what i do for advanced saddle hunters.and agrea with your nubbie statement.i dont ever even try to convince people to climb trees who dont already.my one peice quick connect saddle is one of a kind .you cant purchase any thing that light or compact.but onece again. i consider it advanced.the geometry and forces are not the same wrapping a tree compared to hanging half way over a solid 90 degrea angle.an equal percent of fore is in the wrap around the tree .eaqaly distributing the weight between the strap and carabiner.as you can see in the demo video the rope and carabiner cut into the tree. and didnt even bend at 2000 pounds .in my industry every eyeloop open hook and carabiner are desighned to bend befor they break so that you visualy know to take it out of service befor there is a risk..treestands and platforms are only rated at 300 poundand a saddle is just that.for sitting on not for falling.if a fall arrest harness cut into me like that it would rather take my chances falling than loose my balls. my friend fell of a roof this year in a safety harness and said it didnt even hurt .then giggled as everyone scrambled to get him down.every one was worried about oshas litterature .jose was not and he fell.as much as i dont care to argue any point realy . this is one i litteraly stand on.and would argue there is no way you could break a sertified caribiner choked around a tree with your body weight .not even falling.i couldnt even break the carabiner i beet with a sledge jumping of stuff it hurt to much.good looking out brother .i honestly apriciate your concern and mostly agrea.you are knowledgable ,and i enjoy reading your posts alot.love you dog! p.s.if you are a knew climber dont do what i do.im just looking for lighter faster farther.pay atention to guys like F L .hes looking out for more.he clearly gotta good heart.his info is lagit sorry for hijacking thread
 
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I'm all about getting home in one piece for sure...but some guys act like we are climbing Everest and taking a 15 ft fall with slack in the rope...I dont want to jinx myself but I havent been in a situation where there is so much slack in my tether...granted this was only my 3rd season...I just dont see how a 175 pound guys is going to break a 'sideloaded' carabiner while saddle hunting...I'm goin with the 70' 455 Rocket on this one...
 

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Just need the right shaped carabiner and a couple of o rings. The carabiner rotates on the eye when the down rope is pulled outward, keeping the load on the spine, and doesn’t slip down when unweighted.
Really like that! Not as much as the olds, but sweet! I’ve started using a biner on my rappel rope. Still got the oval on main tether……it feels like a lifetime unscrewing it and it too shall go by the wayside.
 
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