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I hunted 50/50 from saddle and stand. I just see way more deer from stand. I think part of it is I move too much and get busted. The deer see me and I never see them. I have saddle hunted the last 2 seasons and have yet to kill a deer from the saddle. I killed 4 deer this year all from lock ons.
 
I'm potentialyl hunting out of a treestand more this year. A lot of my tree selection was based on range with a recurve bow int he last 3 years. A saddle got me more versatile setups with that in mind. THis year, my state allows crossbows. If I find a tree that is more "perfect" and 15yards or so further, IT may be the ticket to get a better field of view for a crossbow. I"m thinking specifically about the edge of ridgelines where I hunt a lot and can see down the ravine into some pinches on the other side, where I never would have flung an arrow wiht my revurve, I might with a crossbow. Especially with heavy clothes on in the cold, a treestand has always been a little more comfortable and easy to maneuver for me....
 
This past year was my first saddle hunting and I ended up back in old stands by the end. I was having issues with my feet starting to ache from the platform after being in the stand for a while and sitting just wasn't comfortable in the saddle to me to do it long enough for my feet to feel relief. My opinion is I'll continue to use the saddle when it makes sense and when it doesn't, I'll be in a lockon or climber trying to get it done
 
I like the jx 3 because I can and do sit still. I can rotate slowly on the fork to see behind me. If I had a choice between a hang on and a jx 3 I would take the one that is easy to carry the one that has minimal metal and the one that doubles as a backpack.


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I guess I never thought of the tree being in front of me as a blind spot. Because it is in front of me I know that I can creep around it and not bee seeing. I do move more in a saddle that is for sure but I feel like I can get away with the movement because of the trees that I can sit in to block my movement. When going for a shot or fidgeting on my phone I have a tree to block it from a deer but in a stand I don't have anything to clock me. I feel exposed in a stand. In a stand I never considered deer behind me as shootable the majority of the time where in a saddle I feel like nothing is safe.

This is what is so great about hunting today we have so many options that everyone can feel comfortable with how they are hunting. There are a lot of people that hate blinds...personally I love them in certain situations. I cant go back to a stand because they hurt my back to much.

I also like that a saddle forces me to use different trees because I can. I found myself even with a mobile set up going to the same tress because I wasn't having to search or trim them every time I went hunting.

Good luck hope it help you feel more comfortable and have better success.
 
I like the jx 3 because I can and do sit still. I can rotate slowly on the fork to see behind me. If I had a choice between a hang on and a jx 3 I would take the one that is easy to carry the one that has minimal metal and the one that doubles as a backpack.
I was never able to get comfortable using the JX3 but I had a small amount of time right before season came in with all new stuff (Flex just became more natural so I stuck with that). Maybe this off season I can play with the JX3 more and make use of it next season.
 
That is my experience as well. If I had to rank myb issues it would be 1. Having 2 blind spots and 2. I move too much.

My movement isn’t due to discomfort either. That’s one of the reasons I was so reluctant to switch. My saddle was way more comfortable, but it was probably such due to the fact that I had the freedom to move and relieve the cramps and stiffness experiences in stands. The other reason I was so reluctant to switch was the bulk of a treestand when compared to a platform. I don’t think it’s going to be a big issue however. And with a rch I can still face the tree on occasion and shoot more places around the tree.

funny how we’re all different. Your reasons for switching to a hangon are some of the same reasons I switched to a saddle. whatever gets ya huntin!
 
It has taken me a lot of hours to get to where I can sit still in a saddle. Actually, it's taken me a lot of hours to get to where I can sit still period! Sitting still while being aware of what's going on 360° around you is tough.

I have always gravitated towards smaller trees. On a small tree, your front view isnt blocked, and I find it very easy to turn my head and twist slightly at the waist to view directly behind me with little movement.

I can see how a big tree would make me lean towards a treestand. A big tree blocks a lot of your view from a saddle, and I have never been a "hide behind the trunk" guy. With a treestand, you put that blind spot behind you. You can't see the deer, but they can't see you either.

I personally find it easier to hunt and shoot 360° with a saddle setup. I'm fairly good at putting myself in the middle of deer. Problem with that is they could come from anywhere. I killed more deer from the 2 o'clock to 6 o'clock position this year than I did from the 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock position. I busted a coyote that snuck directly behind me, and was able to smoothly turn and shoot from my setup. Doubt I would have been able to make that move without being busted in a stand.

I say all that just to say I agree with your priorities, but have been able to make it work with a saddle in a way I don't think I could from a stand. Genuinely curious as to how you plan on eliminating blind spots with a treestand. Seems impossible to me, but I'd love to hear a fresh perspective.

You physically can't see 360° at once. That's the trade off we pay for pretty dope binocular vision and excellent depth perception. But you can cover about 190° without moving your head. The fringes are only good at picking up movement, but that's what's most important in my book. Turn your head, and now you can see 360° with a very slight movement.

Trees pose an issue. We cant see through them, so we have to look around them. Looking around something in front of you is pretty simple. Bob your head a few inches left and right. Looking around something that's behind you seems a bit tougher to me. You have to turn and bob. This is uncomfortable and requires more movement for me. You can't sustain it. So you move more and twist more. The whole time there is supposedly a deer just outside of your field of view, and you're squirming. Versus if the blind spot is in front of you, you can comfortably wait until whatever is in that blind spot steps out into view.

For me, it's much easier to be aware of my peripherals in a saddle than a treestand. No matter how I hunt, it's always in the back of my mind that a deer could be slipping past where I'm not looking. I try to always keep my head on a swivel, and am constantly looking side to side and twisting slightly to see behind me. I'm counting on the fact that I'm out of a deer's line of sight, they're moving and I'm still, and that I'm really not making that much movement. It seems to work.

You cant see everything all the time. To me a saddle facilitates the movement necessary to scan the woods. Of course, that movement may get you busted. But I'd rather be moving because I'm actively looking for deer than moving because I'm getting stiff and my butt is sore.

I do understand the clique thing. I'm just waiting for the "saddlehunterlife" stickers to start showing up on the "daddy'smoney" trucks. Sometimes the "thing" saddlehunting has become makes me want to go back to sitting on a stool.

Hunt however works. I'm not trying to keep you in a saddle or out of a treestand. I just think it's strange that you're switching for those particular reasons. I understand the movement issue more than the blind spot one.

I dunno. Thinking about this stuff sho' beats working though. :)

to me it’s not the blind spot as much as the movement. I am very comfortable in my saddle, like it for mobility and ease of set up but my movement too much.

if I hear or see a deer coming it’s great but I know a couple times (and wondering how many more times) I’ve spooked deer I didn’t know were there.

with a hang on, I’m moving less and the tree blocks my blind spot. If I get lucky those deer in my blind spot come in close enough that I become aware of there presence and can try and make a move.

either way I just love bowhunting and am gonna use my lone wolf assault more next year even though it’s more of a pain to set up. Still gonna use the saddle some and am glad I tried it out.

The saddle got me using a lineman’s belt and ropeman and aiders. I now have the ability to get up high safely with minimal gear and that’s a pretty cool thing!
 
The saddle got me using a lineman’s belt and ropeman and aiders. I now have the ability to get up high safely with minimal gear and that’s a pretty cool thing!

This is really true. I am now way more familiar with safety equipment from being a part of this site and gaining knowledge of ropes and climbing gear. I now make my own tethers, distel hitches, lineman's loops, and bridges. And I've learned a system when getting up and down a tree. I'm certainly a better public land mobile hunter because of my experience.

And @Nutterbuster is right, this is way better than work.
 
I used a JX3 Hybrid last year and a Lonewolf alpha and one stick. I mostly used the hybrid however my wife got me a lone wolf alpha for Christmas. I bought a rock climbing harness and it makes hanging the stand 10 times easier. You are facing the tree and are attached firmly at all times leaving both hands free. One stick climbing with a rock climbing harness is easy as well. The one area I like the Alpha better is in the swamp. The trees are leaning and most of them have lots of branches. I’m hunting public land where we are not allowed to trim branches. In the hybrid I can only shoot from about 7 o’clock till noon because the branches have me boxed in where I cannot move.In the alpha I can stand up and turn so I can shoot all the way around me.


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I hunted 50/50 from saddle and stand. I just see way more deer from stand. I think part of it is I move too much and get busted. The deer see me and I never see them. I have saddle hunted the last 2 seasons and have yet to kill a deer from the saddle. I killed 4 deer this year all from lock ons.
I'm with ya on the movement. I saw more and shot more this year on the ground and got one out of the saddle. It's always nice to have the saddle option though when needed I guess.
 
I have tried them all and all is good in the right spot and time. I have a L/W Assault and it is great, bought a Lil Ambush(ooal) and it is very nice, fits behind the back well and easy up the tree. The thing about the Lil Ambush, its two piece so you can take the top section off and bolt a Dan-o standoff on and have a 6# platform, If you wand no seat for the hunt. I have no connection with L/W or Ooal but the Lil Ambush is worth looking at both are great.
 
I currently don't own a saddle but do own an Assault 2. I loved my Kite and I loved my JX3. By the time this fall rolls around...who knows. I really want to build a fleece saddle. If I had to hunt tomorrow it would be from the Assault. If the new light LWCG ever releases and manufacturing has improved...my wallet could take a beating.

Regardless of what ends up holding me up in a tree in 2020, hanging out here has been tremendously profitable for me:

Ropes, knots, hitches, ascenders, & biners. Man I look back at my former self and say "You know nothing John Snow."

Tree climbing devices galore. WE steps with Knaiders & Swaiders, Primals, LW, Muddy, Stacked Outdoors, & Hawk sticks, all with a variety of mods. Finally, my DIY DanO sticks that are such a dream to use I think I'm done on the climbing device front. But maybe those LWCG double step sticks though...

The concept of trying gear knowing I have an outlet to sell it if I want to move on and try something else. So very awesome. Moved my Kite & JX3, as well as a host of other kit no problem.

Most importantly, there is an awesome group of guys and gals out there who like the things I like and are really fun to interact with. Y'all are unbelievable innovators and experimenters, you have great taste in music, you watch out for each other's safety, and you're kind hearted and supportive of newbies. You make me want to continue to hang around here, without worrying about whether I hunt from a saddle this fall or not.
 
I just read a blog by Greg Staggs along a similar thought plane, that was also a good reminder. At the end of the day, it is supposed to be about killing animals, and the stand or saddle is just a tool to get it done. Go with what works for you and kill on, there is no wrong way!

Yes! If the deer is dead, your strategy and tactics worked.

A man scouts and finds an area he thinks he can kill from. It has the look and feel of a "good spot." The man plans to carry in three sticks and a lone wolf hang on to reach a place in a tree that has good cover and is in range of where expected shot(s) could occur. October 25th brings the conditions that are favorable and the man heads to the location. The walk in, tree climb, and stand hang are executed to plan and the hunter anxiously waits to see what might happen. 30 minutes before dark, the only deer of the hunt comes into sight and follows a path right to a shooting lane 20 yards from the tree. The shot is true and a tag is filled on a beautiful 3 year old 9 point.

Now... Is this man successful? Of course he is! Would a hunter that went in lighter with a saddle and "one sticked" up the same tree be in the same position? Yup. Was there a possible ground position that both guys missed, most likely...

It's about envisioning a strategy, and making it happen. Any method will also have its fair share of screw ups and fails too.
 
Saw the new lwcg stand in Harrisburg in sat it's very small and light. Prob too small for most people but wouldnt bother me. I'll prob pick it up when it comes for sale and use it when I want a hangon
 
Let me preface my thoughts by saying I am happy to hear you have decided on a system that you find most appropriate for your area. Everybody is different, which makes this era of hunting gear especially great. There is a number of different options out there to suit a wide range of styles and needs—more so than any other previous generation. And for that, I am thankful. With that said, here are my thoughts:

I think in many cases, for every con, there is a pro that is equally important. For example, the tree that some consider a blind spot also provides cover between you and deer in front of you. I personally don’t consider the tree trunk a blind spot, since I can see around it (I don’t climb huge trees). I understand the point of keeping that “blind spot” behind you since you don’t have eyes on the back of your head anyway, but I just haven’t experienced any problem of missed opportunities at deer while facing the tree in a saddle. Some folks squabble about one sticking and carrying multiples sticks, and again, I see pros and cons to each. Do whatever flips your flipper.

As for the movement argument, I personally don’t get it. I have never hunted in any treestand, regardless of comfort, that I could sit motionless for hours. Periodically, I will always stand up to stretch my legs. In a saddle, I move occasionally too, but my movement is more subdued compared to standing up in a hang on or climber. Subtle adjustments with my feet or knees is often all it takes to find comfort.

Also, stand height is obviously crucial in deer that spot you. I can get higher per weight of gear carried using a saddle setup. Getting above the deers peripheral vision greatly reduces the likelihood of them spotting subtle movement. I’d be curious to know how many people give up on saddles for deer spotting them because they are simply hunting low in the tree. Additionally, tree cover is an important factor regardless of which device you hunt from. I know I’m stating the obvious but I feel like these factors need to be considered before making the accusation that a stand is superior to a saddle in concealing movement.

In the end, like many others have said, saddles are a tool in the same way hang ons and climbers are. Pick one you’re happy with, and don’t second guess it because somebody else takes a different approach. I like the ease of use, speed of setup, and general simplicity of my LW hand climber. I will use it when there are suitable trees and when I feel like using it—especially when gun hunting. I will continue to use my LW assault hang on occasionally when I get the itch for something different or if it makes the most sense for a particular hunt (e.g. bushy trees or heavy leaners). But for me, the mobility, silence, and comfort I can get from a saddle just makes too much sense not to use it most often. It’s just important to know the types of trees in the specific area you want to hunt ahead of time so that the right tool can be employed.



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I saved up for the m100u millennium because of previous back injuries that make it hard to sit longer than 3-4 hours. I can't do an all day in it but easily doubled my time. I am keeping it for my wife and kids to use but the saddle is the only thing I've found that allows me to sit for any length of time. If the kids or wife are going hunting I'm going to have it present to climb up and sit with lifeline. No way I'd carry that thing around with me anymore solo trips on public land
 
I'm with ya on the movement. I saw more and shot more this year on the ground and got one out of the saddle. It's always nice to have the saddle option though when needed I guess.
I walked up on a great buck this year, one briar in my way, wonder if ground hunting is going to get more traction, I plan to do it more but I hunt a lot of private so have to use it sparingly, or risk repeatedly stinking up the place.
 
I walked up on a great buck this year, one briar in my way, wonder if ground hunting is going to get more traction, I plan to do it more but I hunt a lot of private so have to use it sparingly, or risk repeatedly stinking up the place.
I think plenty of people still hunt from the ground here and definitely farther west in open territory. The scent control issues always confuse me and maybe I don't understand it enough. 20-30 ft up or on the ground scent is eventually going to make it to the ground, correct? It's usually pretty windy here and fairly flat where I hunt so sitting on the ground, wind in my face usually is productive. The biggest issue I've had ground hunting is drawing back/positioning for a shot without being seen.
 
I think plenty of people still hunt from the ground here and definitely farther west in open territory. The scent control issues always confuse me and maybe I don't understand it enough. 20-30 ft up or on the ground scent is eventually going to make it to the ground, correct? It's usually pretty windy here and fairly flat where I hunt so sitting on the ground, wind in my face usually is productive. The biggest issue I've had ground hunting is drawing back/positioning for a shot without being seen.
If they’re downwind most likely you’re busted either way, but taking long stalking hunts has to leave more ground scent off your boots etc. That buck I saw was dead down wind of me 22 yards for 15 mins, no idea how, can’t explain everything in the woods. I drew on him twice when he looked away I just never had a clean opening. Heck of a lot less gear to lug when you’re just tiptoeing around.
 
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