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Bolt users

Good idea with the vise grips.
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Another reason why I prefer grips rather than an allen key is I can clamp on the bolt and turn it with one finger without fear of dropping it. As long as the bolt is still partially in the tree, the grips ain't gonna fall to the ground. Sometimes we might be in an awkward position on the tree and holding an allen key with gloves or cold hands can be clumsy. And don't forget the key has to be aligned and seated perfectly in the cap screw which may not always be easy under certain conditions. And grips will never round off like allen keys can do.

With an allen key, you better have a firm hold on it because if you drop that little wrench, you probably won't find it in leaves or low light. I won't lose those grips if I accidentally drop them, which probably won't happen anyway.

The only advantage that an allen key has over the grips is it's smaller in the pack, but those little grips are tiny. Look at them compared to that 6" bolt in the pic.
 
I've used bolts off and on for presets for about 25 years. I honestly had never measured my distance between them until now(18"), but have always used from elbow to finger tips as my on tree guide. I could stretch each step further but that provides me with an easy step up that is no too compact.
 
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Sometimes they come out without much trouble. Others are trouble. Lol


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I am new to using bolts usually use my we steps I also use the elbow to finger tip rule works pretty good 10-12 is usually how many I use just to get up not counting platform I learned very quickly in aspen trees you better use a pretty good angle approximately what type of angle do you guys set yours at
 
I am new to using bolts usually use my we steps I also use the elbow to finger tip rule works pretty good 10-12 is usually how many I use just to get up not counting platform I learned very quickly in aspen trees you better use a pretty good angle approximately what type of angle do you guys set yours at

For hardwoods I use no angle. Just straight in. I had some i angles my first season using bolts and I was welcomed by ice filled holes when temps got cold. Redrilling homes filled with ice isn’t fun.
For softwood I do angle them a bit because the holes will elongate. If I don’t intend to hunt more than once I don’t worry about it.


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I’m intrigued by this way of climbing. I have always used sticks but they are a pain to carry. The only issue I see with the bolts is drilling all the holes with a hand drill. To me it seems like it would take a lot longer to get setup. Am I wrong? Which is quicker?
 
I’m intrigued by this way of climbing. I have always used sticks but they are a pain to carry. The only issue I see with the bolts is drilling all the holes with a hand drill. To me it seems like it would take a lot longer to get setup. Am I wrong? Which is quicker?
Sticks are faster...initially. But for pre sets, bolts are a dream. I can bolt a dozen trees for the same cash it takes to buy one set of sticks.
But Ive said it before... Dont compare bolts to sticks, compare bolts to screw in steps.

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Sticks are faster...initially. But for pre sets, bolts are a dream. I can bolt a dozen trees for the same cash it takes to buy one set of sticks.
But Ive said it before... Dont compare bolts to sticks, compare bolts to screw in steps.

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Where do you buy your bolts in bulk? I like the bolts that come from Treehopper with the coating on it but it would add up buying those ones. Also, do you shrink wrap all of your preset bolts and what size shrink wrap do you use?
 
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Where do you buy your bolts in bulk? I like the bolts that come from Treehopper with the coating on it but it would add up buying those ones. Also, do you shrink wrap all of your preset bolts and what size shrink wrap do you use?
I split 300 (uncoated) Treehopper bolts with a buddy and I saved shipping because Mark (Treehopper) was going to be at the Harrisburg show. I will say this, the bolts are oil coated and need cleaned before painting them.

Someone on here said they bought bolts from Fastenall and they were crazy cheap.

The 1st batch of bolts I bought were hex heads from Amazon. Decent price but I can't remember exactly what I paid...85 cents a piece??

The shrink tube is 3/4" which allows it to fit over the side of the heads on cap screws. 3:1 shrink ratio works perfectly on 3/8" cap screws, but it won't fit over hex heads. But I just took the hex to my bench grinder and rounded off the points. It takes less than 30 seconds per bolt to grind them and they still have a knob on the end...I'm not grinding the heads down to 3/8". Grind the points round and the 3/4" shrink tube works fine.

And with the vice grips, I dont need to put a wrench on them. Grips work on all bolts...no specific size tool is needed to deal with a mixed variety of bolt styles.

And I saw the marine grade shrink tube in only 2 colors...red or black. I didn't want black for visibility when climbing down in the dark so I got red. The tube holds paint fairly well if you care to change colors. I think a bright under spray (maybe white?) With a drab over spray might work for you guys worried about other hunters seeing them...just leave an unpainted strip of the white and face it "up". You'll see it climbing down in the dark, but from ground level, they will be drab.


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Does anyone know what grade and or type of bolts tree hopper sells I have to believe they are just buying them in bulk from somewhere dipping them and reselling them
 
Does anyone know what grade and or type of bolts tree hopper sells I have to believe they are just buying them in bulk from somewhere dipping them and reselling them
Grade 8 cap screws.
And of course Treehopper buys them by the thousands at bulk prices. They are a business and have to make a profit.
I can tell you that Mark tries extremely hard to pass on affordable prices to the customer.
The coated bolts they sell are not just dipped. Its a really messy process of spray application. And the coating has evolved to be more durable than rubber dip or bed liner. Treehopper coated bolts are a little pricey IMO, but they are not overpriced. I have a few that I tested for them and they are fine, but I still prefer the marine grade shrink tube for bolts I carry during the hunt.
For presets, just plain bolts are fine.
And if you want coated, go with heat tube. Rubber dip is an inefficient waste of time to dip and dry and doesn't hold up as well as tube.

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Does anyone know what grade and or type of bolts tree hopper sells I have to believe they are just buying them in bulk from somewhere dipping them and reselling them

I just talked to Mark about bulk prices last night. I had him price me coated and non coated bolts. I already have some coated bolts from Treehopper and liked the idea of having the coated ones. He is a great person to deal with and worked with me on the price. By the time I buy the bolts somewhere else and put shrink wrap, etc. on it I would be at the price of his and had all the time and energy going into it. I'll gladly support him instead of ordering through some other website. Customer service is great and responds quickly.
 
Grade 8 cap screws.
And of course Treehopper buys them by the thousands at bulk prices. They are a business and have to make a profit.
I can tell you that Mark tries extremely hard to pass on affordable prices to the customer.
The coated bolts they sell are not just dipped. Its a really messy process of spray application. And the coating has evolved to be more durable than rubber dip or bed liner. Treehopper coated bolts are a little pricey IMO, but they are not overpriced. I have a few that I tested for them and they are fine, but I still prefer the marine grade shrink tube for bolts I carry during the hunt.
For presets, just plain bolts are fine.
And if you want coated, go with heat tube. Rubber dip is an inefficient waste of time to dip and dry and doesn't hold up as well as tube.

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What are you using for heat wrap?


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3/4" Marine grade, 3:1 shrink ratio. Has adhesive built in.

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Have you ever figured out your cost per bolt to shrink wrap?


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Have you ever figured out your cost per bolt to shrink wrap?


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48" for $7.89. Put 4" per bolt and it comes out to 65 cents per bolt. I don't tube all my bolts, just the ones in my pack. All my presets are bare bolts. OOPS, I originally said I use 3/4"...WRONG. I use 1/2". I will edit that post.

 
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