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Boot Advice... Lace-Up vs. Rubber

wildthing54

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Alright, I've decided it's time to ask for some help. I've ALWAYS struggled with cold feet/freezing toes when hunting, whether it be from the stand or ground blind. I've just joined this forum within the last month or so, and I've done some research, but nothing was really focused on lace-up vs rubber boots. So here I go...

I've just been wearing a pair of 800g Wolverine lace-up leather boots since I started hunting. They've lasted me forever, but I've never been satisfied with how warm they are. For the past couple of years I've been debating whether I should buy some rubber boots (mainly been looking at Muck and Lacrosse, but recently came across TIdeWe with my research) and whether they would help with my cold feet/frozen toe problem. After doing some research, I've read that rubber boots almost always make your feet sweat, and then they freeze throughout your sit. That really turned me away, but I also read where some people just change socks out when they get to the stand and that works wonders. My uncle LOVES his Muck boots (can't remember what model they are) but he has electric-heated insoles in them, which is what initially set me on to this rubber boot thing.

My only experience with rubber boots was when I went duck hunting with a buddy. I initially wore my Wolverine boots because they are also waterproof, but we were hunting a flooded stream next to a cornfield, and the water went over my boots and soaked my feet pretty much as we were walking in. Keep in mind it's 20*-22*F this morning. Buddy tells me he has an extra pair of FieldBlazer Mucks at the truck, but were size 9 and I wear size 11. Decided those were better than wet feet the entire hunt. They were definitely snug, but my feet never got cold one bit even though I wore them with my already wet merino socks. We were in water up to my calves, so maybe that had something to do with it since the water was warmer than the air around us? Reason I mention this story is because it goes against what everyone says that your feet will freeze in rubber boots if your feet are wet. Overall confusing.

My overall experience with my lace-up leather boots has been sub-par. Always freezing cold, even with toe warmers, extra room (sz 12), and lacing up sort of loose to allow even more room. I also like the idea of just being able to slide the rubber boots on, as my fingers would always freeze trying to tie my lace-up boots on those cold mornings!

Another thing I saw with the research was that people bring Arctic Shield / Ice Breaker boot covers with them to their spot and throw a hand-warmer down in each one and that also works wonders. I've mainly seen this with lace-up boots, not much with rubber boots.

One big difference I've read between lace-up boots and rubber boots is the breathability. I know boots being able to breathe combats sweat, which combats unwanted odors, but is that it? Is that the only advantage lace-up boots have over rubber boots? Other than being lighter and having more overall support. I understand rubber boots don't have the best fit or support, but if they'll keep my feet warm I think that's a pretty good trade-off IMO.

So overall, what I've came down to are a few different options:
  • Switch to heavyweight rubber boots (like Muck Arctic Pro or Lacrosse 1600g ABPs) and just switch out socks when I get to my spot to combat sweat
  • Switch to lightweight rubber boots (like Muck FieldBlazers/Woody Max or Lacrosse Uninsulated ABPs/Aeroheads) and switch out socks as well as wear with boot covers
  • Stay with my lace-ups and invest in the boot covers to wear over the boots for breathability and support and switch out socks
  • I've also seen where some people take their boots off completely and only wear the boot covers with hand-warmers
Any and all other advice and suggestions are greatly appreciated!! This is my first thread post so I hope it's not too much information haha!

Extra Info: Area is Kentucky. Can get down to the teens late season, but average is about 20*-35* I would guess on most mornings. Haven't walked much in the past while hunting, but this year I'm hunting public so I will be walking a lot more. I always wear Merino SmartWool socks, no liner socks.
 
Ok, I see more deer when I wear rubbers, crocs, muck boots, or 400gram lacrosse rubber boots. I have a pair of old Danner boots that are super warm lace up leathers but I won't wear them hunting. Scent sticks to them. Get a pair of nice merino wool socks, then take them with you to try on boots. If you get the 400gram lacrosse boots and a decent pair of insulated MERINO WOOL socks, your feet will stay dry and warm. I grew up hunting north central PA in the mountains, and currently hunt central md.

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If I’m walking nasty hills etc I do lace up and arctic shields, but on my home farm I lean toward rubber hoping it releases less scent, and I cross a shallow river sometimes. The solution here - and I just found this last year - is foot antiperspirant, for me at least it’s a game changer.
 
If I’m walking nasty hills etc I do lace up and arctic shields, but on my home farm I lean toward rubber hoping it releases less scent, and I cross a shallow river sometimes. The solution here - and I just found this last year - is foot antiperspirant, for me at least it’s a game changer.
What kind/brand do you favor?
 
I've had good results wearing medium weight liner socks with wool socks (I select thickness depending on expected temperature) in my neoprene boots. Usually good down to 20 degrees before I need foot warmers. Liner socks make a bigger difference for me than type of boot.
 
I hate rubber boots and don’t see how you crazy people hike effectively in them...now that my bias is out front...

I struggled with cold feet until I evolved on a couple of things.

when you hike in with all your layers on, you sweat. And when your body temperature is that high all over, all parts of you sweat, including your feet. I would get cold feet, in addition to cold everything. Solution - wear clothing that wicks moisture away from skin and dries out. And don’t wear all your Clothes for the walk. Don’t even wear one layer because it’s one less thing to pack. Wear literally as few clothes as you can legally....ok maybe just pants and short sleeve shirt. Full length zip bottoms are your friend here - both for Thermal unders, and for thick insulation overs. Once I started walking in short sleeves and single pant, down into the teens, everything changed for me. Also quality layering system.

the above is about keeping you warm and dry. But it plays into feet as well. If your core is not warm and dry, it will start to restrict blood flow to the extremities. Your feet may be getting cold because they’re getting cold. But theyre probably getting cold because your core is cold. If my core is not sufficiently insulated, I’ll get cold feet. Ten layers of socks And insulated boots won’t make a difference. Layer appropriately and get dressed at tree after you’ve cooled down fro walk to avoid sweating.

Next is improving air flow and circulation for your feet. Your feet will sweat some no matter what. Good high wool content socks, and loosen your boots at base of tree. This allows for free blood circulation. And for moisture to dissipate. Rubber boots that fit properly for hiking will not allow this. Second reason I’m not a Fan.

I bought heated insoles and they’re great if you’re willing to take your boots off at tree to put in. Only problem is your boot has to fit loose enough to get them in. If it’s a properly fitted rubber boot it won’t happen. You’ll cut off circulation to top of foot. And if it’s a loose enough fit to not cause that, it will be too loose for hiking and cause blisters or annoyance at the least.


too long don’t read - keep yourself cold and dry for your walk in. Layer up at the tree, and have enough clothes to stay WARM, like just beyond comfortable. You can then unzip things to regulate temp. Use wicking socks to help feet dry, and loosen boots for the hunt to improve circulation.

Swapping socks and using anti perspirant seem like good additions to the above plan, but not a substitute for it.

good luck!

Edit - this is advice for hunting down to mid teens temperature. I don’t have extensive experience hunting in 10* or below. The couple occasions I’ve done it the above has worked, but I’ve never sat longer than 3-4 hours.
 
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I’ll agree with the above. Merino wool socks definitely, always when wearing rubber boots. If you’re boots fit too tight you’ve got compression and restriction which causes cold feet since sweat can’t transport away and blood can’t circulate. Consider getting a size larger rubbers if you don’t have to hike in far that way the sweat can transport out. There’s a reason many hikers and military wear double socks with a poly liner, that’s to help with friction and transport sweat. My feet are always cold when i wear my rubbers but I can wear my redhead lace ups down to 20 degrees with merino socks and I’m fine as long as I keep my head warm and core warm. John eberhart has a video about using toe warmers, look it up. My hunting partner uses the electric insoles and swears by them now. He has them on low for our walk in then as he cools he turns them up. Also keeping cool on the walk in is spot on. Your feet will sweat along with the rest of you but with rubbers on the sweat has no where to go. Try it next time you’re out, pull your rubbers off and I bet your socks are soaked.
 

I use this as well, but there’s also cream called Carpe that keeps feet shockingly bone dry. But it has a menthol odor so I’ve relegated that to preventing swampfoot when doing outdoor work in the summer, and go with scent free for hunting. The Carpe odor does fade and maybe inside rubber boots it’s not that big of a deal, going to keep experimenting, I’d like to find one with little odor but as effective as Carpe. This really has made a difference in keeping my feet warmer in either type of boot, good luck.
 
If I am going to walk more than 2 miles in a day, I wear lace-ups no matter the temperature. Otherwise, I base it more on how wet things are and wear good socks and take extras.
 
I run 3 different types of rubber boots depending on weather. I pair them up with Marino socks, either light mid or heavy for the season and never deal with cold feet on the stand. Key thing I've found is ensuring the upper body is insulated. Soon as it starts to cool, it pulls heat from the hands and feet which is why they are always the first to go. Having that addressed, I can sit out in the stand all day in Wisconsin freezing temps with zero issues of feet getting cold.

Early season, Baffin Blackhawk (PLN).

Mid season, Baffin Backwood (PLN) in Mossy Oak

Late season, Baffin Titan (PLN)

I also have a pair of Lowa Hunter GTX Evo Extreme boots I use for all day hikes. But these are heavy suckers and do nothing for keeping the feet warm on any type of sit in cold weather. Long as I'm moving, they work great at keeping feet warm but soon as ya start to relax, nope. But great for hiking!
 
Thanks everyone for all of the input. After thinking some more I believe I'm going to stick with my leather lace-ups and invest in a pair of the arctic shield boot covers. I like the idea of being able to loosen the boot, and you can't do that in rubber boots unless you get them large enough, but then they would be a pain to hike in. Also, seems like I need to address my core layering and see if that helps with the feet too.

I use this as well, but there’s also cream called Carpe that keeps feet shockingly bone dry. But it has a menthol odor so I’ve relegated that to preventing swampfoot when doing outdoor work in the summer, and go with scent free for hunting. The Carpe odor does fade and maybe inside rubber boots it’s not that big of a deal, going to keep experimenting, I’d like to find one with little odor but as effective as Carpe. This really has made a difference in keeping my feet warmer in either type of boot, good luck.

As for the foot antiperspirant, do you apply the stuff only on the bottom of the feet, toes, or all over? Sounds like a stupid question to me, but I honestly have no idea where the foot sweats and where to apply it.
 
Thanks everyone for all of the input. After thinking some more I believe I'm going to stick with my leather lace-ups and invest in a pair of the arctic shield boot covers. I like the idea of being able to loosen the boot, and you can't do that in rubber boots unless you get them large enough, but then they would be a pain to hike in. Also, seems like I need to address my core layering and see if that helps with the feet too.



As for the foot antiperspirant, do you apply the stuff only on the bottom of the feet, toes, or all over? Sounds like a stupid question to me, but I honestly have no idea where the foot sweats and where to apply it.

Personally, I found the artic boot covers to be noisy and a pain to deal with (tried to use them with my Lowa's). Buddy gave them to me as he didn't like them and I ended up giving them away on our Pay it Forward thread for the same reason. Idk, it was just another thing to have to haul to the stand then deal with once I was at height plus i didn't like the crunchy noise they made from the material inside them. Maybe newer ones wont have this issue but I found them not to be worth the hassle for me personally. Just some food for thought.

As for the antiperspirant, I know a lot of guys on here use scent free deodorant, like dead down wind. Put it on the night before, bottom of the feet, then good to go the next day.
 
Thanks everyone for all of the input. After thinking some more I believe I'm going to stick with my leather lace-ups and invest in a pair of the arctic shield boot covers. I like the idea of being able to loosen the boot, and you can't do that in rubber boots unless you get them large enough, but then they would be a pain to hike in. Also, seems like I need to address my core layering and see if that helps with the feet too.



As for the foot antiperspirant, do you apply the stuff only on the bottom of the feet, toes, or all over? Sounds like a stupid question to me, but I honestly have no idea where the foot sweats and where to apply it.

Everywhere, rub between the toes all the way back. It’s cheap, worth giving it a try. Carpe does work better, my feet stay bone dry, but especially for the first ten minutes it’s got a pretty distinct smell.
 
The right socks and layers like everyone else says. That will help a lot. I use to over kill my feet when cold. Multi (wrong) socks, no movement. Building up way to much moisture walking in. Even a short walk. I was actually surprised to find my feet stayed warmer with a lighter pair of better socks. I hunt wet areas in Michigan. So I need rubber. But I will use a light mositure wicking for a base and walk in. If it's gonna be cold I add a layer once I am there. But don't go to big your toes can't move. Easier to warm them up if you can wiggle them.
 
I went with Keen this season. More comfortable on longer walks and the toe box is bigger for thick socks and still gives free space for warmth when needed.
 
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