After coming to the easy conclusion that lugging 4 sticks around the woods sucks, I bought silent approach steps on the classifies here and have been practicing for last couple of weeks. I liked everything about them except how on certain trees with rough bark they would slip a lot and scare the crap out of me on my way down. After Nutterbusters video on squirrel steps as a climbing method, I Sprung for the ocb’s that DanO sells and now I’ve got a 20 ft climbing solution that weights about 6 pounds (give or take a few oz) and is rock solid under my 200 pound frame. Also using his ocb for ring of steps.