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Burned Out!!! Tips?

I have to disagree with you on this. While it is possible to kill by staying in one area, the more areas you learn, the less pressure your putting on any one area. On top of that, 90% of my kills are on that "first sit", as many other have said. Save the learning as much as you can about one area for February or after season winter scouting. Pay attention to wind and try to think about where others are going in and out. You'll start to paint a pretty clear picture. Keep notes or a journal and plot all of you moves on an app like onx or huntstand. You'll get better at it. Keep at it good luck!
I know where he's hunting, and agree with him. Our tracts are plenty big enough (40,000 acre chunks) that he can focus on one area and never hunt the same place twice. Heck, I don't know that it's possible to really learn those huge tracts the way a lot of guys are learning smaller ones. The smallest area I'm aware of in our county is 5,000 acres. I spent all of Turkey season tromping the crap out of it and still don't know that I "know" it. They all have very different terrain, so patterns that hold in one area will not hold in another.

Now is about to be a pretty good time to scout too. Rifle season is about to kick off, and folks will be off for the holidays. Our deer have been hunted since early october. Our "duldrums" are going to kick in. Might as well go kick some white butts up out of the bushes, because they ain't coming out unless you make them until rut starts kicking off.
 
I have to disagree with you on this. While it is possible to kill by staying in one area, the more areas you learn, the less pressure your putting on any one area. On top of that, 90% of my kills are on that "first sit", as many other have said. Save the learning as much as you can about one area for February or after season winter scouting. Pay attention to wind and try to think about where others are going in and out. You'll start to paint a pretty clear picture. Keep notes or a journal and plot all of you moves on an app like onx or huntstand. You'll get better at it. Keep at it good luck!
I agree with the disagree. Not saying you cant kill a deer sitting and waiting, but I feel you greatly increase your chances by walking to a new site looking for and setting up on fresh sign. I had a shot at a nice 8 pt I only got because I convinced myself to leave deer (only does and spikes) to go try another area. Originally I just wanted to stay where I was comfortable, even though I wasnt seeing the movement (bucks) I was looking for. Although there is something to be said about not leaving deer to find deer, but sounds like youre not seeing any. I vote put some yds/miles on them boots, bump a few deer. I promise it is at least more entertaining to not know whats in the next field, thicket, timber vs counting limbs on a tree.
 
It’s kind of my point. You have X amount of time to spend in the woods. 80% of my X is spent walking. I don’t have a bigger X than anyone else. It’s not scouting per say, with the intention of finding a tree to hunt. I’m just looking for deer. I don’t set up until I’m in deer. If you want to jack up a tree because you feel like that’s what you’re supposed to do, or because it’s as good as it will get for you, fine. But I promise it’s not. Regardless of how poor deer herd size or quality is in your area, If the gubment is allowing you to kill em, they’re there. Find them. Not their sign from last year or last month or last week. Find them now.

As far as crappy places to hunt goes - I don’t mean eliminate a piece of property because there are better places elsewhere in the country. What I mean, is that you can look at a map and knock off 50% of a property, then you can take a walk and eliminate another 20-30% of it that won’t hold deer or lead to you killing them. You took that the wrong way. I hunt ‘crappy’ properties in the way you took it all the time. But I will only get in a tree in the parts of that property that hold deer. No book or video will tell me where that is exactly, my boots and eyes will.

Plus it’s fun. Or more appropriately, the fun is the main point, and the learning is secondary.

You thinking that you’re not ‘hunting’ unless you’re in a tree and that ‘scouting’ eats up valuable time is the issue I take.
So you're researching an area first with maps, other useful knowledge, etc. before wearing out your boots scouting, correct? If I blindly (without a plan) scouted any land I hunt I'd bump every deer in there to adjacent property I possibly couldn't hunt. And no I understood what you meant about crappy properties, I'm just glad you cleared it up for people who might not have as much knowledge as you.
 
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It’s funny how some consider scouting a waste of time. When I first started hunting on my own on public the wma near me could only be hunted on Saturday and Sundays. I worked Saturday and was off Sunday Monday and Tuesday. I would scout Monday and Tuesday and hunt on Sundays. I learned a lot about that property scouting when I couldn’t hunt it. On an evening hunt I don’t climb a tree unless it begs me too. On mornings I will go in blind and hunt in a tree based on aerial photos and topography and have killed several deer that way. I do spend my mornings looking for sign. Depending on what I’m seeing I may sit all day or I may climb down mid morning and scout/still hunt until I find a place that begs to be hunted or it gets dark.
Then just when you think you are starting to figure it out you get a slap in the face. I’ve seen two really nice deer come out of places this year that I had scouted the day before. One had very little buck sign and the other had buck sign that I never thought would see daytime activity.
 
So you're researching an area first with maps, other useful knowledge, etc. before wearing out your boots scouting, correct? If I blindly scouted any land I hunt I'd bump every deer in there to adjacent property I possibly couldn't hunt. And no I understood what you meant about crappy properties, I'm just glad you cleared it up for people who might not have as much knowledge as you.
If your not bumping deer occasionally you aren’t really hunting them. If you walk into the wind and go slow most of the deer you bump don’t go far and don’t know what it was that scared them. They will sometimes blow and take off over squirrels and armadillos. Yes you may run all the deer to the neighbors but we’re talking about an investment in time that will improve our hunting for years to come even if it ruins our hunting for the rest of the season. I’m not saying go scout the same bedding area repeatedly but if you bump deer that you think may have been bedded go investigate it.
 
So you're researching an area first with maps, other useful knowledge, etc. before wearing out your boots scouting, correct? If I blindly (without a plan) scouted any land I hunt I'd bump every deer in there to adjacent property I possibly couldn't hunt. And no I understood what you meant about crappy properties, I'm just glad you cleared it up for people who might not have as much knowledge as you.
Maps are great. I look at them a lot, and think kyle does too. But...there are issues with maps. Preconceived ideas and coming to the same conclusion as everybody else. Everybody is an aerial scouter nowadays. If you see that little island in the swamp, so has everybody else. Betcha a nickle somebody is hunting it. But if you can find an anomaly that doesn't show on a map...

I look at maps to find property lines, infrastructure, access, and land features I can use to aid navigation. Creeks, cutover lines, swamp edges, etc. Sometimes I'll look at an area that interests me. But mainly I want to be able to sketch the property roughly from memory. I want a big picture idea.

Then I like to drive everything I can drive. Ride my bike down any locked roads. Paddle my kayak down any navigable water. As I go, I'm mainly looking for trash and tracks. The idea is to get a feel for how accessible the property is for me and others, and see if it appears to actually hold some deer. If I bump deer or see good sign, I mark it, but I'm really looking for tracks and trash.

I also end up marking different "zones" that are contsined within property lines, roads, creeks, etc. This come in handy later, because I can walk into a big chunk of woods and not get lost because I know that there's a county road north of me, a property line west of me, a dirt road south of me, and a river to the east. Worst case scenario (I lose both compasses and my phone dies, I can just walk a straight line and eventually I'll find my boundary and know where I am.

Once that's done, I start walking edges. It makes for easy navigation, and we all know that deer are "creatures of the edge" right? Creek banks, edges of brush, the lines formed by timber harvest. I am mainly looking to bump deer and find buck sign, but at this point I'm focusing on observing as many details as possible. Food like oak trees and smilax vine. Swampy areas. Tree stands. Reflective tacks.

As I walk, I'll start to find areas that interest me. I may take a detour into a palmetto flat with sign on the edges, or start crawling into a bramble-filled clear cut. I mark interesting stuff, but no matter what I find, I don't linger. We're cutting big chunks into smaller chunks still.

Once the whole property has been covered, usually I'll see that one area really stands out to me. So i start scouting/hunting it. Maybe I squirrel hunt it before season and bump some deer. Maybe I go in and set up cold on a pinch point surrounded by good looking stuff. From this point on, it's a long, slow journey to get to know the property thoroughly. It happens as I chase squirrels and blood trail deer, or stumble through the dark trying to take a shortcut back to the boat.

Smaller properties are easier to learn quickly. Big properties you may never really fully understand. But in my mind there's no sense in sitting still if you havent seen the whole picture. On the properties I know well, I tread more carefully. Mainly my lease. I know where the feed, where they bed, and where they travel because I've seen every foot of dirt there and have hunted it since I was in high school. If I go more than 2 hunts without seeing anything, I may poke around quietly one afternoon to see where they've wandered off to.

I'm a big believer in seeing the whole property if you can. Too many times I've walked in, found something I liked, spent the season hunting it, and then found something better next year. The deer know the whole area they live in, and will use that knowledge to skirt around you. If you know the whole property, you can use that info to cut them off at the pass.
 
You're all obviously missing my point. I never said not to scout or not to bump deer. Walking in without a plan is ignorant. You all have been describing your plans for scouting. Where did these plans come from? Miles of walking and seeing sign? Why not target these potential areas from research before going in? If there's no deer in these areas then go to plan B and at least you know the deer aren't in the preconceived areas. By walking in blind during season not only are you possibly temporarily ruining ground and/or educating deer for fellow hunters but you could just be wasting your time. Let me know where you're at and I'll try to get permission in the adjacent ground while you're scouting please!
 
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Walking in without a plan is ignorant.
Agreed. I walk in planning to find deer. But aside from that, I try not to think myself into a box. Deer are good at living in areas that you'd never plan on hunting.

You all have been describing your plans for scouting. Where did these plans come from? Miles of walking and seeing sign?
Yes. My personal experience is that, in the areas I hunt, maps are of questionable usefulness. The more I scout, the more deer I see. The more I look at maps, the more confused I get. Until the tech gets good enough to show individual deer through the canopy, I'm over looking at them any more than I have to. I'm sure there are areas of the country where maps are more useful.

By walking in blind during season not only are you possibly temporarily ruining ground and/or educating deer for fellow hunters but you could just be wasting your time. Let me know where you're at and I'll try to get permission in the adjacent ground while you're scouting please!
Maybe. But by not actually verifying that you're hunting where deer are, you're wasting your time too. I'd rather be too aggressive than not even in the game. Seems to be working for me. I've seen deer every single weekend, and have shot at 4 of them. And our season hasn't even started to get good.

Feel free to drive down to LA and hunt the swamp with me. I believe representative Bradley Byrne , Alabama Power, and International Paper own most of the surrounding properties. Plenty of acreage for both of us to bounce around on.

Lots of ways to skin the cat. I just prefer to know that I'm hunting in the immediate vicinity of deer. And me being simple-minded, the easiest way to know that there are deer in the area is to lay my beady little eyes on them.
 
Agreed. I walk in planning to find deer. But aside from that, I try not to think myself into a box. Deer are good at living in areas that you'd never plan on hunting.


Yes. My personal experience is that, in the areas I hunt, maps are of questionable usefulness. The more I scout, the more deer I see. The more I look at maps, the more confused I get. Until the tech gets good enough to show individual deer through the canopy, I'm over looking at them any more than I have to. I'm sure there are areas of the country where maps are more useful.


Maybe. But by not actually verifying that you're hunting where deer are, you're wasting your time too. I'd rather be too aggressive than not even in the game. Seems to be working for me. I've seen deer every single weekend, and have shot at 4 of them. And our season hasn't even started to get good.

Feel free to drive down to LA and hunt the swamp with me. I believe representative Bradley Byrne , Alabama Power, and International Paper own most of the surrounding properties. Plenty of acreage for both of us to bounce around on.

Lots of ways to skin the cat. I just prefer to know that I'm hunting in the immediate vicinity of deer. And me being simple-minded, the easiest way to know that there are deer in the area is to lay my beady little eyes on them.
Thanks for the clarity! I'll just walk around aimlessly and hopefully make it to LA to find this Bradley Byrne, Alabama Power and International paper ground. We can even make belive we're Lewis and Clark discovering new hunting ground! But honestly I'm always up for trying new ground so I wouldn't be opposed. And you're right there are many ways to skin the cat, I'm glad there's opposing view points and new ideas or else we'd probably all be stuck in a rut of seeing few deer and unfilled tags.
 
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I think it wasn't just lack of success, but fun too. Hence my call to go make an adventure, and not worry about a setup, or wind, or pressure. Just go find deer. Cover ground. Find a meth lab in the woods. Pick some mushrooms. Find a shed. Just whatever you do, don't climb a tree, unless you know without a doubt you're gonna kill a deer. Otherwise, you'll fall right back in your rut. I'm all for analyzing the maps, and the trails, and the ground to death. Hell, I'm guilty of spending way too much time doing it. But honestly, just clearing your mind and going enjoy nature for a day or 5 is in order. Go squirrel hunting! That stuff is thoroughly enjoyable! and they eat the same stuff as deer man - free knowledge!

Here's another weird thing I've noticed, and I'm sure busy folks can relate - It usually takes about 50-60 hours in the woods every season for me to start getting "in tune" with nature. My first few hunts and days in the woods seem to be full of static and misinformation. It all starts coming back to me as the season wears on, and my guesses at what to do start to become more reliable. But all that knowledge and experience was gotten by walking and screwing up.

I'm the same way, I'm an explorer. LOL a couple weeks ago I found a bunch of Black Horn mushrooms. That's why I'm also saddle hunter, I can walk longer and quieter not lugging a climber. You may be sitting in a tree that's 150 yards away from a hot spot you'll never know unless you look. Find hot sign, set up in a tree!
 
@Nutterbuster Where in Alabama are you from? I think I read somewhere south Alabama? Mobile and Baldwin counties? Upper and Lower Tensaw River Delta? I grew up hog and squirrel hunting these; however, I only got into deer hunting after I moved away.

Get burnt out, pick up fishing or duck, hog, or squirrel hunting. I typically get burnt out with one thing then go to another. By the time I'm burnt out with the 2nd thing about fired up ready to hit the first thing again. Keep it interesting, keep it fun.

I just started really scouting this year. I've seen a ton of wildlife and have really learned the areas that I hunt. Sure some of the areas I chose to scout weren't the best, but I am finding more and more sign as I progress. I've recently decided to scout 1 day for every day I hunt since I only get 2 days a week to hunt. Last week I invited a friend to scout a piece of public land with me. We ended up finding some great sign on a small acreage of public land and hunting it the next day. We set up on the sign and my buddy shot a deer. I know it wont go this well every time, but I am convinced of two things.

1. Scouting pays dividends
2. Set up where the freshest sign is

One thing that discouraged me when I started hunting was not being able to find sign. All these podcasts and youtubers talk about setting up on sign but I never could find "fresh sign" nor did I know what they meant. Is it poo, rubs, scrapes, what? When I started scouting at first I had no luck. The more pieces of land that I stomped the more sign I began to find. I began finding rubs, scrapes, and fresh droppings and I was invigorated. It took a lot of miserable hunts hoping a deer would walk by for me to finally get burnt out enough to try something new. I personally enjoyed walking with the sole purpose of bumping deer. For me, it was better than not seeing a thing. Once I bumped the deer I'd try to determine bedding and food.

I myself am fairly new to hunting and am taking it step by step. I think being in the woods is the best teacher. Once I start to get stuff really locked down, I'll focus my efforts on killing mature deer.

Good luck OP.
 
@Nutterbuster Where in Alabama are you from? I think I read somewhere south Alabama? Mobile and Baldwin counties? Upper and Lower Tensaw River Delta? I grew up hog and squirrel hunting these; however, I only got into deer hunting after I moved away.
Yep, I'm in north Baldwin and hunt all over that area. The squirrel and duck hunting here is fire. Hogs are usually plentiful, but last year's flood thinned them hard. Deer are honestly not great. But it's what I prefer to do.

I think with your methodology, you've got a lifetime of deer murdering to look forward to.
 
This is all good advice for sure. I agree with @kyler1945 when you are starting to get annoyed or burnt out you do need to change things up. We all can get stuck in a routine way of doing things. I constantly struggle with my pre-hunt plans that I formulate in my head and then when I get on site with the actual conditions that abound to screw with my "preconceived plan" for the day (e.g. other hunters, wind shifts or changes, topography and how it relates to the wind and shifting wind, temperature changes, walking conditions, noise, time of hunt, etc. It has taken me a long time and I'm still not as fluid as I like to be but I have come to realize that if you are on sign and you know that your wind will stay pretty good (in that it will not blow toward the area you suspect deer will be coming from) just set up the best you can. Stay fluid and try ground hunting or still hunting and scouting. You never lose in the woods unless you let yourself think that way. When you're not wrapping your hands around some big antlers, you're compiling the raw data you need in your hair covered computer to formulate future plans. Sometimes just do something different in the woods, I like to take my 16 gauge out and do some grouse hunting or predator calling to change things up.
 
Something I've definitely ran into now that I'm more mobile and ground to hang hunting is the pre-plan getting put through the grinder. More than a few times this season I've said I'm going to X, guess what's between my parking spot and X, a lot of thick brush most times. So I've started learning to walk the edge of the brush and most times dont make it to X. But I've only setup and not seen deer once. So an X is okay but the mission is deer and you get a more accurate picture of that on the ground than cyber scouting.

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Just like any trade it takes time and dedication to get good at it. Im not a very good hunter but ive see>n vast improvement since i started. I've never had a ''lightbulb'' moment with deer or deer behavior but there are times when something just clicks in your brain and it's usually something small almost insignificant but when you look at the big picture of how the woods and animals in it operate itll make sense. I learn allot about deer during small> game season while stalking hogs.
 
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I have to disagree with you on this. While it is possible to kill by staying in one area, the more areas you learn, the less pressure your putting on any one area. On top of that, 90% of my kills are on that "first sit", as many other have said. Save the learning as much as you can about one area for February or after season winter scouting. Pay attention to wind and try to think about where others are going in and out. You'll start to paint a pretty clear picture. Keep notes or a journal and plot all of you moves on an app like onx or huntstand. You'll get better at it. Keep at it good luck!

I both agree and disagree. Either way I love how much awesome experience is coming out of this thread. I am not afraid to hunt an area multiple times. But I am a meat hunter so I am happy with does all day! May be different for buck/trophy hunters. I just killed a second deer tonight out of the same half acre area of public. It was a few weeks apart so I gave it time to rest. But I have hunted it 5 times now this season. Each time I observe deer behavior and then change trees and slightly change tactics. But either way playing the wind correctly completely makes or breaks these hunts. Sometime I get swirling winds and guess what... I don’t see nothing. If I play a nice steady wind in my favor, I see all sorts of deer.
 
All i was really trying to convey is, if your not having encounters move. it may only take 40 yards to draw blood, but i personally know guys who sit the same stand without fail, even though they havent had a deer come close since September. My mindset is the more areas i go into, the more oppurtunity i have to kill a deer, any deer. i can honestly say that in the past two years that i have been hunting mobile like this, ive had the two most productive seasons ive ever had, filling 6 of the 6 tags i had between 2 states, 4 being bucks. just be flexible, and learn to think on the fly. dont be afraid make moves and scout/hunt.
 
KyleR has it right and especially if you are hunting public.Scout daily.There is no better information than most recent information.If you are being too conservative in fear of bumping deer.Here is what i know from years of public hunting in my area.If you think you are gonna just fall into this perfect place where no one is going and no one is bumping deer then you are gonna be sorely disappointed.Too many hunters for that not to happen especially in states with really long gun seasons such as Ga Al Sc or Fl.Get aggressive Log lots of good spots to hunt and hunt them on good winds.You will see more deer.The old holing up waiting them out approach SUCKS

Agree with this as well. If you don’t know an area like the back of your hand with actual first hand experience of seeing deer and how/when they move in a given area then forget hunting in the morning all together and use at least a 2:1 ratio of time spent scouting versus hunting.

For example, I took the bow out this past Sunday evening which was day three of our rifle season which landed smack dab on a weekend with perfect weather, was an absolute massacre in Michigan this year from the pictures I’ve seen. So at this point the deer have been pounded on for almost 72hrs and I decided to try a completely new state game area I’ve never been too and only cyber scouted a bit. Picked several different areas on the map and got there by noon. Spent the first hour driving to check all the parking spots and circle the perimeter of each piece to check human pressure. Picked the two with no human sign fresh from that morning and went in on foot to scout transition lines for the next 2 hrs. Found an area 150yds off the road with zero sign of any hunters all weekend, not a single boot track, 3 fresh scrapes and the ground all tore up next to one from what was clearly two bucks fighting. This was near an old oak tree that was still dropping acorns on a small ridge along a creek and the entire area was pounded with fresh tracks. Was setup on that area and settled into the tree by 4pm. Saw two 6pts in the last 90min of light one of which was point blank at 15yds but no intention of shooting him. Did I see a big mature buck and knock him down? Nope. Was it far an away a successful trip in my book...yup.

Another tip would be to look up some podcasts and YouTube videos on tracking especially if you get snow in your area. You can learn a lot on how they determine how fresh sign is so then when you’re pounding the public on foot your consciously categorizing in your head how fresh the sign is as you gain experience.
 
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