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Carabiners ???

sweats

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I like some Petzl carabiners. My informal estimate is that people here are split on screw lock vs auto-locking carabiners generally.

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Marmuzz

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You'll get a range of opinions on this. Just my two cents here, FWIW. I'm no expert but I found these tidbits interesting when considering carabiners:
-I was told an arborist safety standard is for a carabiner to have a three-step opening (i.e. pull the gate sleeve down, twist, and push open). Most biners I've seen used by saddle hunters are only two step (i.e. screw down and open...plus other two step styles). Depends what you decide is safe?
-Biner shape can be influenced by the activity you're performing with the carabiner and any equipment it's clipped onto.
 

Bango Skank

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Rock Exotica.
Ovals or HMS (Pirate) usually, I got some Ds too.
I very much like the pull down and twist gates. Made in USA, excellent quality, around 20-21$ each.
I have Petzl and DMM also, they’re reliable and safe, I just prefer the action on RE biners.
 

Fl Canopy Stalker

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I prefer D shaped carabiners as they are usually stronger and due to the shape, they are a little harder to side load. Although some of them don’t fit as nicely in a rope man 1 as the pear or oval shaped ones do. Rock and Rescue make a great carabiner. If you want made in the USA, you have to go with Rock Exotica or SMC.
 

Fl Canopy Stalker

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You'll get a range of opinions on this. Just my two cents here, FWIW. I'm no expert but I found these tidbits interesting when considering carabiners:
-I was told an arborist safety standard is for a carabiner to have a three-step opening (i.e. pull the gate sleeve down, twist, and push open). Most biners I've seen used by saddle hunters are only two step (i.e. screw down and open...plus other two step styles). Depends what you decide is safe?
-Biner shape can be influenced by the activity you're performing with the carabiner and any equipment it's clipped onto.
Arborist and professional mountaineers use 3 action carabiners because ANSI require it. Most of them also use steel carabiners. They put their equipment through very serious use almost to the point of abuse. As a recreational saddle hunter, 3 action standards cannot be enforced. And you nailed it about shape. The shape can be influenced by activity, as well as what you use. Oval and pear fit easier into ascenders but D shaped are stronger. So if you’re using a rope grab, an ascender, or a prusik can determine your preferred shape as well.
 

HuumanCreed

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I'm putting myself out there.....i cant tell the difference at all between D or oval or....anything to be honest. As long as its certified and rated. I usually grab whatever Black Diamond Amazons has on sale. Usually screws in are what l have because they are most popular.
 

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Petzl. I like their screw locks with the red safety indicator. I saw a documentary about them (design, testing, manufacturer) and I was very impressed. They've been around forever as a company.
 

Bango Skank

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All my climbing carabiners are aluminum, all my steel carabiners are for rigging. It helps keep them from getting mixed up. Also anything with a screw gate isn’t for climbing. I’m sure they’re fine for most climbing applications, but they’re slower and only slightly cheaper usually, and ANSI says no.
Triple action/ double locking carabiners are very fast and very secure. Almost impossible to open accidentally, assuming the lock engages and it’s not filthy or damaged.
 

MNFarmHunter

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Instead of make, this question is model (style, shape and gate type).

The most common shapes are oval, modified D and pear. I prefer modified D as the wide end fits the bridge webbing better and the narrow end fits the connecting device. However, the oval is required for a Kong Duck and have one of those as well.

For style, I'm referring to a full round shape versus the more "I-beam" shape of the carabiner metal. The I-beam style is generally lighter and what I normally use. However, the full round takes up more room in a mechanical ascender and can sometimes be used to permit a narrower, out-of-spec rope to be used with the device.

For gates (and I'm referring to a locking gate), there are screw type, 1/4 turn self locking and other types of self-locking mechanisms. I hate self locking gates and only use screw gates. This allows easier usage in odd angles, forces me to verify the gate is locked and the way I was trained. I must be getting old because self locking gates were strictly verboten when I went through training...a long time ago.

Finally, I have more carabiners than I need. This is an old habit but having extras or a carabiner for each item needing one allows for redundancy should one be dropped. My small, modified D, I-beam style screw gate carabiners are also identical. That way, they all look and feel the same so that is one less thing I have to think about.
 

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I’ve used black diamond mostly and I have one petzl. It seems very nice and I too like the red indicator on it. It reminds me of a safety on a firearm and really sticks out.
 

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All my climbing carabiners are aluminum, all my steel carabiners are for rigging. It helps keep them from getting mixed up. Also anything with a screw gate isn’t for climbing. I’m sure they’re fine for most climbing applications, but they’re slower and only slightly cheaper usually, and ANSI says no.
Triple action/ double locking carabiners are very fast and very secure. Almost impossible to open accidentally, assuming the lock engages and it’s not filthy or damaged.
ANSI says no for professional use. Screw lock and 2 action gates are permitted per UIAA for recreational climbing. Which hunting is recreational, so I am assuming it will be the same thing when standards come out
 
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