CT RollNLock vs. Ropeman 1

[sojourner]

I like the prussic with tender from new tribes. It works well. The only problem I see is accidentally releasing it when the tether is not tight if you pull yourself up by the tether instead of the stick
Thanks for answer on the safe guard

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I think that is the only plus for the ropeman compared to friction hitch and tender. It won’t slide if you accidentally grab it.

 

[sojourner]

That's what I've been playing with. I took one of Aerohunter's plastic D-ring accessory hooks and threaded it on under the prussic to tend it. It works ok, probably would work better if I didn't weigh so darn much. Prussics get really tight when I suspend on them.

I weight 265 to 290 “dry weight”. I use a distel hitch and tender and I don’t have issues with it locking up. I could never use a prusik with a tender.

https://www.animatedknots.com/distel-hitch-knot

 

[ThePreBanMan]

I like the prussic with tender from new tribes. It works well. The only problem I see is accidentally releasing it when the tether is not tight if you pull yourself up by the tether instead of the stick
Thanks for answer on the safe guard

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That's actually an advantage of the ropeman. It continues to function properly and safely even if grabbed by the operator. If you grab a prusik knot in haste, like when trying to prevent loss of balance or something, then the system will fail. Aside from making it more convenient and easy to use, this actually makes a lineman's belt equipped with a ropeman safer.

 

[boyne bowhunter]

I weight 265 to 290 “dry weight”. I use a distel hitch and tender and I don’t have issues with it locking up. I could never use a prusik with a tender.

https://www.animatedknots.com/distel-hitch-knot

Thanks, I'm gonna give that a try next.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

Thanks, I'm gonna give that a try next.

2x


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[ThePreBanMan]

I think that is the only plus for the ropeman compared to friction hitch and tender. It won’t slide if you accidentally grab it.

Don't sell it short. It has a lot of advantages over a prusik knot.

1 handed operation (huge advantage)
Doesn't lock up after bearing weight
Quicker and more efficient
Doesn't require routine replacement like ropes and cords do (lower long term cost of ownership)

It has lots of advantages.

 

[redsquirrel]

I don't know why this conversation had to go the way it did. The ropeman is a great device but it has it's limitations. They've all been discussed on here 100's of times. As with much of the equipment we're using in saddle hunting the ropeman wasn't designed to be used the way lots of people are using it and its up to the end user to make the determination if they are using it in a safe fashion.

 

[sojourner]

Don't sell it short. It has a lot of advantages over a prusik knot.

1 handed operation (huge advantage)
Doesn't lock up after bearing weight
Quicker and more efficient
Doesn't require routine replacement like ropes and cords do (lower long term cost of ownership)

It has lots of advantages.

I ran ropeman 1’s for a few years. Never comfortable wrt the safety. And if you look to the genesis of 4kN issue here ON SH, you’ll see I made a post on it, which I believe started more analysis of ropeman safety.

I did some research on tenders and interacted with Tony Greenway and put together a distel friction hitch and homemade tender and have been extremely happy with it. I used it all last season.

Prusik is only one of many friction hitches. I am not sure the majority of the SH community is aware of that.

To each his/her own.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

I don't know why this conversation had to go the way it did. The ropeman is a great device but it has it's limitations. They've all been discussed on here 100's of times. As with much of the equipment we're using in saddle hunting the ropeman wasn't designed to be used the way lots of people are using it and its up to the end user to make the determination if they are using it in a safe fashion.

I like the ropeman but I entered the discussion because one sticking introduces slack in your tether and there is more noise possibilities between the stick and ropeman when moving the stick


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[redsquirrel]

I like the ropeman but I entered the discussion because one sticking introduces slack in your tether and there is more noise possibilities between the stick and ropeman when moving the stick


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Agreed. I think one sticking is an application where the ropeman isn't appropriate because of the amount of slack in your line.

 

[boyne bowhunter]

I weight 265 to 290 “dry weight”. I use a distel hitch and tender and I don’t have issues with it locking up. I could never use a prusik with a tender.

https://www.animatedknots.com/distel-hitch-knot

Thanks @sojourner. I tied up a distel hitch this evening and put it on my tether with my repurposed tender. It seems to work very well. I haven't actually climbed with it yet but it certainly adjusts nice even after being fully weighted. The only possible downside I see at this point is the little extra setback from the distel over the acsender that I have been using. I don't think its enough to cause me any trouble but I'll actually have to use it a bit to be sure. Thanks again for the tip!

 

[sojourner]

Thanks @sojourner. I tied up a distel hitch this evening and put it on my tether with my repurposed tender. It seems to work very well. I haven't actually climbed with it yet but it certainly adjusts nice even after being fully weighted. The only possible downside I see at this point is the little extra setback from the distel over the acsender that I have been using. I don't think its enough to cause me any trouble but I'll actually have to use it a bit to be sure. Thanks again for the tip!

I agree, it is not instantaneous, like ropeman. I have found that dealing with the setback becomes natural and I also try to minimize the distance from biner to distel as short as possible. That decreases the setback.

Glad you found that it adjusts nice after load.