Daisy Chain for sticks

[jordy1327]

Another question about making 7/64" amsteel daisy chains!

The DIY video I was working from folded a 12' length in half and created the end loop using a locking brummel. Instead of running loops the whole 6' length, he skipped ahead and left a couple of feet loose.

Here's my (stupid) question. Does it make any difference whether I run the whole length with chains? I feel like leaving a "big loop" between the end loop and the chain of loops could let things get out of order or tangled easily. Running out a whole 6' of locking brummels shouldn't negatively affect the strength of the rope (assuming I've spliced corrrectly), should it?

 

[BCHunter]

Another question about making 7/64" amsteel daisy chains!

The DIY video I was working from folded a 12' length in half and created the end loop using a locking brummel. Instead of running loops the whole 6' length, he skipped ahead and left a couple of feet loose.

Here's my (stupid) question. Does it make any difference whether I run the whole length with chains? I feel like leaving a "big loop" between the end loop and the chain of loops could let things get out of order or tangled easily. Running out a whole 6' of locking brummels shouldn't negatively affect the strength of the rope (assuming I've spliced corrrectly), should it?

The strength comes from the bury, a locking brummel is to keep the bury from sliding out over time. So technically folding it in half and just doing brummels to the end ever couple inches isn't strong and the amsteel could unravel... highly unlikely, but not the "right way" to do it.

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[raisins]

The strength comes from the bury, a locking brummel is to keep the bury from sliding out over time. So technically folding it in half and just doing brummels to the end ever couple inches isn't strong and the amsteel could unravel... highly unlikely, but not the "right way" to do it.

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He's not talking about an end eye splice for a rope mod. An amsteel daisy chain with double or triple brummel locks is how amsteel daisy chains are made.

 

[raisins]

Another question about making 7/64" amsteel daisy chains!

The DIY video I was working from folded a 12' length in half and created the end loop using a locking brummel. Instead of running loops the whole 6' length, he skipped ahead and left a couple of feet loose.

Here's my (stupid) question. Does it make any difference whether I run the whole length with chains? I feel like leaving a "big loop" between the end loop and the chain of loops could let things get out of order or tangled easily. Running out a whole 6' of locking brummels shouldn't negatively affect the strength of the rope (assuming I've spliced corrrectly), should it?

I have daisy chains and due to OCD, I made chains the whole length, end to end, with all chains the same length. It's plenty strong for sticks. Be aware that this should not be trusted for life support as these brummel lock daisy chains are not a real splice (if you call Samson and ask they probably would tell you not to do that) and the only people that make daisy chains like this seem to be hunters, hammock folks, and I think arborists use them to catch limbs that might fall. So stay connected to the tree.

I'll say that triple brummels seem better.

The reason he skipped all that length in the video (I've probably seen it) was to save time so you won't be putting in links that you'll probably never use.

 

[jordy1327]

He's not talking about an end eye splice for a rope mod. An amsteel daisy chain with double or triple brummel locks is how amsteel daisy chains are made.

That's correct. Not an end eye splice for a rope mod. I'll try that next when I make aiders.

 

[jordy1327]

I have daisy chains and due to OCD, I made chains the whole length, end to end, with all chains the same length. It's plenty strong for sticks. Be aware that this should not be trusted for life support as these brummel lock daisy chains are not a real splice (if you call Samson and ask they probably would tell you not to do that) and the only people that make daisy chains like this seem to be hunters, hammock folks, and I think arborists use them to catch limbs that might fall. So stay connected to the tree.

I'll say that triple brummels seem better.

The reason he skipped all that length in the video (I've probably seen it) was to save time so you won't be putting in links that you'll probably never use.

Thanks. That's what I was after, and the same reason I'm considering doing the whole length. Not true OCD, more a general preference for neatness.

I'll never be disconnected from the tree...I hate heights. The amsteel is just so much quieter and more packable than the stock buckle straps. I'll consider doing the triple brummel.

 

[sokraski]

I made 4 of them for my sticks. 7', 8', 9', & 10'. The first 3' on all of them do not have loops. I used fishing line on the open 3' sections to keep the two lines together. Without the fishing line, sometimes they would separate and one would hang on the bark. I left first 3' unchained to save time making them. If in a very small tree, just wrap around twice.

 

[raisins]

Thanks. That's what I was after, and the same reason I'm considering doing the whole length. Not true OCD, more a general preference for neatness.

I'll never be disconnected from the tree...I hate heights. The amsteel is just so much quieter and more packable than the stock buckle straps. I'll consider doing the triple brummel.

Cool. Yeah, I'm not horribly OCD either, but it does give a nicer look. My suggestion: do the first one with more rope than you think you'll need, especially if you go with triple brummels You probably already know that a purple knitting needle from walmart makes an excellent fid for that size.

I think I cut my ropes so that I was always wasting like 4 inches on both side each time.

If you haven't, look into the trucker's hitch method using daisy chains on sticks. It gets them super tight, but takes a little longer to do in the tree (not enough to matter really).

 

[jordy1327]

I made 4 of them for my sticks. 7', 8', 9', & 10'. The first 3' on all of them do not have loops. I used fishing line on the open 3' sections to keep the two lines together. Without the fishing line, sometimes they would separate and one would hang on the bark. I left first 3' unchained to save time making them. If in a very small tree, just wrap around twice.

Fishing line is a nice slick solution...I like it!

 

[jordy1327]

Cool. Yeah, I'm not horribly OCD either, but it does give a nicer look. My suggestion: do the first one with more rope than you think you'll need, especially if you go with triple brummels You probably already know that a purple knitting needle from walmart makes an excellent fid for that size.

I think I cut my ropes so that I was always wasting like 4 inches on both side each time.

If you haven't, look into the trucker's hitch method using daisy chains on sticks. It gets them super tight, but takes a little longer to do in the tree (not enough to matter really).

Yeah, I'm already suspecting that I've made my first one a little too short. I've not heard of the trucker's hitch method, but with a quick search I found the video you linked in another thread. That looks rock solid.

 

[raisins]

Yeah, I'm already suspecting that I've made my first one a little too short. I've not heard of the trucker's hitch method, but with a quick search I found the video you linked in another thread. That looks rock solid.

If you go trucker's hitch (I highly suggest), then make them longer because you have to double them back, etc and that takes some length compared to regular method.

If done carefully, the trucker's hitch method is tighter than a cam buckle because it has 50% more mechanical advantage (3X vs 2X).

 

[BCHunter]

He's not talking about an end eye splice for a rope mod. An amsteel daisy chain with double or triple brummel locks is how amsteel daisy chains are made.

I understand, but if you just fold it in half and do locking brummels till the end and aren't adding a bury to finish it off you technically don't have a full strength daisy chain.