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Diminishing return

raisins said:
If you take the attitude of cutting weight everywhere possible, then the weight savings add up pretty quickly. I don't feel like I need to put too fine a point on that because it is obvious to anyone that has tried to live within a monetary budget (same concept). You can go too far though. My bow holder (U slide mini) weighs 8 oz. I was seriously considering spending a good bit of time and money to replicate it out of aluminum and get the weight down to 2 or 3 oz. Something like that is only worthwhile if you actually enjoy the process.

I say get your set up as light as feasible (without extreme expense and effort, unless you enjoy that) and then get to a healthy weight and train. I walk an inclined treadmill with a 40 lbs sand vest. It is great low impact cardio and it makes your pack feel light in the fall.
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Great idea on the treadmill
Doing 3.5 mph at 10 degree incline for 60 mins straight no breaks no speed or incline change
But haven’t tried it with weight


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I hunt Texas, and often times it is warm and humid when bow season opens. If I have to walk in a long way I can drink 2 to 2 1/2 liters of water in a day.
 
Squatch said:
Agreed
20 oz bottle of water ur not gonna notice in ur pack regardless
If someone does it’s time to “sack up”


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LOL....I think you took me exactly backward. I found that I never drank the full 20 oz, so I went to 8 oz to shave a pound somewhere. I shave a pound everywhere I can. I now only carry the amount of water that I actually need for health and don't carry extra (I used to carry extra food and water so that I would have something to do if I got bored).
 
No I got it u take 8oz water
I’m saying to the common person going out the water bottle is around 20oz (16 at my house) so even if a person was to take a standard water bottle it really shouldn’t be that noticeable.
I believe u no worries


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Squatch said:
Great idea on the treadmill
Doing 3.5 mph at 10 degree incline for 60 mins straight no breaks no speed or incline change
But haven’t tried it with weight


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You can apply progressive overload here like everywhere else, obviously. Like a backpack with a 5 pound weight, then 10 lbs in a week, etc. The weighted pack on an incline is what I consider a near perfect lower body workout. It increases strength and endurance and cardio while having low impact. I do it at a brisk walk (sometimes as quick as I can walk without jogging). And it improves my knee health and makes them feel tighter etc. I'm in my early 40s.

If you have access to a stair stepper or a short exercise escalator, you might try that with the weighted pack also. I have an escalator at the gym and I alternate double and single steps with the 40 lbs. This is a lot harder on you though and I have strained ligaments and tendons a few times when going fast for a long time.
 
To dive deeper into this, I get the whole ounces make pounds argument. I certainly drink enough ounces that my body makes into pounds. Metabolism ain't what it once was. I've also done some backpack hunts, and that is an entirely different ballgame than walking in the woods "a couple miles". Which is interesting because in most whitetail states it is indeed very difficult to get more than a mile from a road. I hunt some of the biggest roadless areas east of the mississippi and 90% of the time I am less than a mile from the road.

It really hits home for me with climbing methods. No offense to very innovative people like peterk and cain with American Ninja Warrior climbing methods, but I have two goals out there....trying not to die and cause a nice buck to die. If I have any slightest doubt that either of those goals is at risk, I'm out. It may be my bias but it seems to me the guys with the KISS mentalities end up with more grip and grins than the guys obsessed with finding anti-gravity nirvana.

I'll also just say get a nice backpack and learn how to use it. Carrying 20 pounds with proper weight distribution is nothing. I see the way some people haul their stuff into the woods and the Beverly Hillbillies intro song starts playing in my head.
 
I’m 33 but have done physical labor daily since 17 (hardscape/treework/plus sized women etc) so I’m definitely going to try it
I’m sure everyone in my small town 24 hour gym will be lookin sideways lol but then again I work out in my under armour ridge reaper forest camo hoodie and they’re all just getting used to that


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ImThere said:
Life straw


See you in a tree, Ricky
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This is a great idea if you know you will be walking deep but near a nice creek. Can't use it from a tree though. I suppose right before you get in the tree you could just slurp to your heart's content before climbing up.
 
Red Beard said:
Wonder if cutting a life straw in half would save you a few more ounces...
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You can save a lot of ounces by drinking water straight outta the crick....Giardia is a helluva weight loss plan. Prolly better than the much acclaimed Keto.

How long does your lifestraw need to be to drink out of a tree if you're pulling an all day? X high, Y to the crick, Z is the hypotenuse. I forget how to do that trig crap.
 
elk yinzer said:
You can save a lot of ounces by drinking water straight outta the crick....Giardia is a helluva weight loss plan. Prolly better than the much acclaimed Keto.

How long does your lifestraw need to be to drink out of a tree if you're pulling an all day? X high, Y to the crick, Z is the hypotenuse. I forget how to do that trig crap.
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LOL...have to be a height less than barometric pressure in psi (usu right over 14 psi) divided by 0.433 (lbs per 12 square inches of water)....that's the max a straw can work at even if you can pull a perfect vacuum and there is no friction or other resistance. We'll need to design a submersible pump on the end of a life straw, like in a well.
 
raisins said:
LOL...have to be a height less than barometric pressure in psi (usu right over 14 psi) divided by 0.433 (lbs per 12 square inches of water)....that's the max a straw can work at even if you can pull a perfect vacuum and there is no friction or other resistance.
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So if I calculate top 1/3 of a hill, because that is where all the deer are supposed to live, I take the square root of my height squared plus the distance to the crick squared, and adjust by a factor of there's not freaking way? Yeah, I'll stick with my water bladder.
 
elk yinzer said:
So if I calculate top 1/3 of a hill, because that is where all the deer are supposed to live, I take the square root of my height squared plus the distance to the crick squared, and adjust by a factor of there's not freaking way? Yeah, I'll stick with my water bladder.
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Yeah, it can't be more than around 32 feet. Also, don't forget about the thermals.
 
raisins said:
This is a great idea if you know you will be walking deep but near a nice creek. Can't use it from a tree though. I suppose right before you get in the tree you could just slurp to your heart's content before climbing up.
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I guess I could carry a empty 20oz bottle fill it in the stream then climb the tree and sip away


See you in a tree, Ricky
 
ImThere said:
I guess I could carry a empty 20oz bottle fill it in the stream then climb the tree and sip away


See you in a tree, Ricky
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But with a life straw, wouldn't you have to spit it in the 20 oz bottle and then drink your own foamy backwash all day ?!?

I'm guessing the lightest pump filter is more than 20 oz.
 
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