Distel on 8mm linemans vs prusiks

[bowhunthard88]

Thank you for your insights. It makes sense that the Distel or Schwabisch works better on a vertical line, as that was the way it was snown in the videos. After watching a couple videos on tying the Klemheist knot, I think getting some 6mm cord with one sewn eye or tied into a loop is a better option. What is the manner of tying a length of cord into a loop called? Does the tag end length on a Klemheist matter?

I took "tag length" to mean the length of loop protruding for attachment... Tag end of cordage from a knot should be a minimum of 5x the cordage diameter.

 

[Alaska at Heart]

The Klemheist is only slightly better than the Prusik, many other easier to operate hitches out there.

Before I untie the prusiks on my 8mm Vapor Line, what other hitch knot might you recommend besides a Klemheist? My head is starting to spin at all of the variations and opinions.

 

[mtsrunner]

Before I untie the prusiks on my 8mm Vapor Line, what other hitch knot might you recommend besides a Klemheist? My head is starting to spin at all of the variations and opinions.

WLR hitch. Easy to tie, doesn’t bind and can be adjusted while weighted.
The linked video sows it being tied with an eye to eye, but that isn’t necessary. I finish mine with a hunters bend or double fisherman’s.

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[DelaWhere_Arrow]

@Alaska at Heart while it’s true there are many great hitches, start simple. Understand how to tie and untie and retie your basic prusik, klemheist, and autoblock. Those should be second nature to any hunter who elevates IMO. Able to tie in the dark and half asleep. On your LB, I personally prefer using hitches that load off to the side kinda, such as prusik or klemheist with a tender. Then learn variations on those, like the Agile which is a better Klemheist but requires maybe a bit more cord and has its own variations. On your tether, simple hitches are great to start, then if you want to expand you can dig into the more vertical hitches. There are a ton of great ones, like the Sticht and one I’ve recently been pfutzing with, the Synergy X. and everyone here has good suggestions and have likely tried some of everything already. I just think if you are new to tying these things, practice the basics then go from there. It doesn’t take long to get handy at the three basic hitches and then start to really appreciate and understand some of the others. I personally use about 6 different hitches in various ways, but I always have a prusik or a klemheist somewhere for some reason.

If you haven’t yet, go dig your nose through the “Friction Hitches” thread by @Brocky It’s a LOT to take in. Don’t let it mess with your focus though. Take your time and have fun, learn some cool stuff. this knot tying thing is really interesting and important to get practicing now and often.

 

[Alaska at Heart]

I've been shopping 6mm accessory cord. Is Sterling 6mm for prusik use a suitable type (Rope.com)....safe and workable?

 

[mtsrunner]

I've been shopping 6mm accessory cord. Is Sterling 6mm for prusik use a suitable type (Rope.com)....safe and workable?

Yes, that’s what I use for friction hitches when using 8mm tethers.


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[Alaska at Heart]

Yes, that’s what I use for friction hitches when using 8mm tethers.


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Thanks for the affirmation. I got some of the Sterling 6mm accessory cord on order. Last night I watched three online videos of tying a Double Fishermans knot, to make the cord into a loop, then reviewed the Klemheist. I think to begin, I will slide the existing prusik down to the knot end of my linemans and get used to the new Klemheist. I also got a rope tender and that should also help with one handed linemans adjustment while on the tree.

Next questions.....How long do I cut the 6mm accessory cord to have enough for the Double Fishermans and the Klemheist, withoug leaving too long of a "tail" or tag end? For reference, the Vapor Line 6mm currently on my Latitude tether has 5" and that seems quite workable. Also, do you wrap your Double Fishermans? The factory one on my tether has a semi-clear plastic coating.....probably a heat shrink material.

 

[DelaWhere_Arrow]

Thanks for the affirmation. I got some of the Sterling 6mm accessory cord on order. Last night I watched three online videos of tying a Double Fishermans knot, to make the cord into a loop, then reviewed the Klemheist. I think to begin, I will slide the existing prusik down to the knot end of my linemans and get used to the new Klemheist. I also got a rope tender and that should also help with one handed linemans adjustment while on the tree.

Next questions.....How long do I cut the 6mm accessory cord to have enough for the Double Fishermans and the Klemheist, withoug leaving too long of a "tail" or tag end? For reference, the Vapor Line 6mm currently on my Latitude tether has 5" and that seems quite workable. Also, do you wrap your Double Fishermans? The factory one on my tether has a semi-clear plastic coating.....probably a heat shrink material.

I like 36-48” of cord to tie my loop. Start with 48” and if you like it shorter, you can add wraps to your hitch or cut a few inches off, burn the end, and retie the loop.
Some hitches will require more (JRB’s hitches tend to require at least 48”) and some can be achieved with less than 36” (Sticht, Arbsession) though I personally keep all my cords 36” or more and adjust my knots accordingly.
I know they shrink wrap sewn eyes and sometimes splicing as well, to keep from snagging. I’ve never seen the fish knots wrapped but I suppose you could. It wouldn’t really do anything for you except keep you from untying them. They likely won’t come out on their own.

 

[Alaska at Heart]

I like 36-48” of cord to tie my loop. Start with 48” and if you like it shorter, you can add wraps to your hitch or cut a few inches off, burn the end, and retie the loop.
Some hitches will require more (JRB’s hitches tend to require at least 48”) and some can be achieved with less than 36” (Sticht, Arbsession) though I personally keep all my cords 36” or more and adjust my knots accordingly.
I know they shrink wrap sewn eyes and sometimes splicing as well, to keep from snagging. I’ve never seen the fish knots wrapped but I suppose you could. It wouldn’t really do anything for you except keep you from untying them. They likely won’t come out on their own.

Once again, thanks for your insights. I have some paracord and was thinking of cutting a length and doing some test knot typing. I will start in the middle....42" and give it a try. I understand the thickness and properties of paracord are not the same as the 6mm Sterling accessory cord, but it should at least provide a general idea of how to move forward.

 

[DelaWhere_Arrow]

Once again, thanks for your insights. I have some paracord and was thinking of cutting a length and doing some test knot typing. I will start in the middle....42" and give it a try. I understand the thickness and properties of paracord are not the same as the 6mm Sterling accessory cord, but it should at least provide a general idea of how to move forward.

No problem, not an expert, just here to share what I do and learn. Lots of really really great ACTUAL experts on here, too. Getting your system dialed in is fun if you let it be, or a complete migraine if you let it be.
It’s really not rocket science.
It’s tying your shoes. Just tie them right when you’re hunting at height.

 

[Brocky]

Here is a way to tie the Distel that hand tends easily without an added device.
The Distel on top, form eyes by looping down and back, and take both ends through the bottom wrap, one on each side of the rope, snug up and tie a stopper knot.
Bottom hitch is how it looks completed, can tie onto a carabiner, or directly to the loop and use the carabiner for the other end.