For anybody who doesn't know me, I am a long time rope climber, saddle hunter, and engineer, who is just sharing what I know. This is not a business for me, just a passion. I realize that not everybody rope climbs or is interested in doing so and that's fine. But we are one team and so if a tool from a rope climber's tool box is helpful to a stick climber, well, just help yourself. The 'double meech' or more accurately, the Double Michoacan, is something I came up with a while ago, before the JRB climbing system, and I am just sharing it because I am still seeing a lot of Prusik knots on tethers. And still seeing a lot of folks who think you NEED a device to SRT climb or rappel, when you actually don't need one at all.
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Ditch the Prusik; the "Double Meech" is so smooth, it's an SRT device
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tmattson
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In that config, "double mich", does that double the strength of the cord?
Lycomingflyfisher
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I dont think it doubles the strength of the rope, but it spreads the forces of your weight over both knots so basically cutting the forces in half.
Exactly. And doubles the overall capacity of the assembly, meaning the max load before slipping
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I climbed and rappelled on this several times yesterday. It works great. My setup is 8mm Rescue Tech with 5.9mm PowerCord. No problem breaking the hitches to rappel with Munter. I’m 215 pounds currently. I was having to use the PVC breaker when using a single Michoacán with the same ropes.
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Two hitches for SRT has been used in the past, most were using two separate hitches, and most discussion was what hitch or cords would work the best. But like you I figured out you have to suspend between the two hitches for them to work together. I remember having same cord, but a different bend. Didn’t use it long as something else came up.
tmattson
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I have 30 feet of 8mm Resc Tech, going to order 6 feet of the 5.9mm PowerCord to try out. So you have 60 pounds on me, assume it will work for me but if not I can use that cord for other stuff.
Some random comments:
1. Besides the products, I like how i can diresct order Sterling cords in 25ft packs which is enough for me to build an entire climbing system.
2. Now although i chose 6ft, you could go longer if you wanted MORE room between you and the hitch.
3. This video was about the friction hitch knots the climb. If anyone is going to use this to SRT climb, I strongly recommend your system is capable of sustaining a complete and total failure of anything that you made which is in it (i do not worry about my climbing rope snapping). I accomplish that by tying my redundant bridge into my Garda hitch. Although I have a video on how I build my Garda foot Loop, I'm going to make another one and this time explain that detail. Cut a 4ft cord, clove hitch into the garda, close in a hunters bend, and just leave it on your foot Loop. When I climb, I simply clip the loop into my redundant Bridge. If your primary friction hitch were to fail completely, you would not fall and you would be held by the Garda. In a self rescue, and you would not be able to release that Garda. You would need to repair, retie, or fashion a new friction hitch so that you could unload the Garda. The garda does not break when it is under load.
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1. Besides the products, I like how i can diresct order Sterling cords in 25ft packs which is enough for me to build an entire climbing system.
2. Now although i chose 6ft, you could go longer if you wanted MORE room between you and the hitch.
3. This video was about the friction hitch knots the climb. If anyone is going to use this to SRT climb, I strongly recommend your system is capable of sustaining a complete and total failure of anything that you made which is in it (i do not worry about my climbing rope snapping). I accomplish that by tying my redundant bridge into my Garda hitch. Although I have a video on how I build my Garda foot Loop, I'm going to make another one and this time explain that detail. Cut a 4ft cord, clove hitch into the garda, close in a hunters bend, and just leave it on your foot Loop. When I climb, I simply clip the loop into my redundant Bridge. If your primary friction hitch were to fail completely, you would not fall and you would be held by the Garda. In a self rescue, and you would not be able to release that Garda. You would need to repair, retie, or fashion a new friction hitch so that you could unload the Garda. The garda does not break when it is under load.
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I like this alot ..definitely appreciate this info and I'm going to give it some time in the tree before the season rolls around. Thanks
I guess you are talking about the PowerCord, right? I have ordered some 6 mm Edlerid Aramid cord to try. I guess that’s the same concern, right?
Would regular 6mm accessory cord be a better choice even though it’s not as strong ?
I tried to find some Ocean Vectran 22 in 6mm like you mentioned in another post, but could not find it anywhere.
Lycomingflyfisher
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John,
As I primarily one stick climb and rarely hunt out of the same tree rope climbing will probably never be my primary method. With that said, I recognize the importance of having multiple ways to climb. I think I will try the double meech setup as my primary tether hitch and this will take away the need for adding another hitch when I am ready to rappel down.
Adding the garda hitch and footloop will allow me to utilize this system quickly in the event I need to come down during a hunt vs one sticking back up.
As I primarily one stick climb and rarely hunt out of the same tree rope climbing will probably never be my primary method. With that said, I recognize the importance of having multiple ways to climb. I think I will try the double meech setup as my primary tether hitch and this will take away the need for adding another hitch when I am ready to rappel down.
Adding the garda hitch and footloop will allow me to utilize this system quickly in the event I need to come down during a hunt vs one sticking back up.
I just made up another one of these rigs and did three climb/rappels.
This time I used:
58’ Teufelberger Platinum 10.5 mm climbing rope
7’ Sterling 7 mm accessory cord for the double meech
This setup came in at 3 pounds, 5 ounces, which is significantly heavier than the Rescue Tech/Power Cord rig, but it gave me a little more confidence climbing on this beefier setup. I’m not sure which one I will go with at this point.
This time I used:
58’ Teufelberger Platinum 10.5 mm climbing rope
7’ Sterling 7 mm accessory cord for the double meech
This setup came in at 3 pounds, 5 ounces, which is significantly heavier than the Rescue Tech/Power Cord rig, but it gave me a little more confidence climbing on this beefier setup. I’m not sure which one I will go with at this point.
As you get comfortable doing the climbing... then the transition to a thin rope and the JRB Climbing System will become natural. No anchor. 100 ft of rope and my friction hitches is less than 3 lb.
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That would be great, but I can’t count on a reliable crotch or limb in a lot of the woods that I hunt (straight, limbless or small limb poplars, red oaks etc). Therefore, I need to be able to girth hitch the trunk. SRS is more applicable to my situation.
Mapleleafropes are the only ones selling the Ocean Vectran this side of the big pond.I guess you are talking about the PowerCord, right? I have ordered some 6 mm Edlerid Aramid cord to try. I guess that’s the same concern, right?
Would regular 6mm accessory cord be a better choice even though it’s not as strong ?
I tried to find some Ocean Vectran 22 in 6mm like you mentioned in another post, but could not find it anywhere.
Having four legs going to the carabiner to share the load, accessory cord probably could be used, being nylon should grab better than TRC.
Correct on the Edelrid cord.
Some stronger, non-aramid core cords
And so here's what i am doing now in those situations: I use the jrb system but climb it this way, generally in preseason, and set a false crotch, which i leave and climb on subsequent hunts. I am just asking for feedback on whether a fellow climber thinks it's viable.
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Definitely viable and safe, but if I’m going to set a false crotch, I will just climb with my Lone Wolf Hand Climber. It works great for straight trees with no low limbs.
Thanks for the info on Ocean Vectran. It looks like Maple Leaf Ropes has their US office about 75 miles from me and in a town that I’m in about once/week. I am going to ask if they have local pickup
I'm thinking I'm going to use similar setup but Resc Tech and 6mm Sterling TRC. Anyone want to chime in offer any advice on that combo? I'll be using this in place of my Safeguard at height and to rappel.