Also, the kitchen aid attachement is great. It does a really good job and is very durable. However, once you use a dedicated grinder it’s tough to go back to the kitchenaide because of speed. The dedicated grinders just grind a lot more weight per hour and if your doing multiple deer it makes a huge difference. Also if your making sausage many often call for multiple grinds so having a faster machine for that also makes a big difference.