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Do you wear your leg straps

Leg straps or no leg straps

  • Yes

    Votes: 88 75.9%

  • No

    Votes: 28 24.1%
  • Total voters
    116
I have not heard one single semblance of a coherent argument which has even come close to supporting how legs straps serve no purpose, are not required, don’t keep you safe/safer…
-other people do it, is not an argument
-some companies do it, is not an argument
-I’ve never died, is not an argument
-I can make my own judgement (is true) but, is also not an argument
 
A more realistic analogy is that of an air bag in a vehicle. I have a seatbelt in my vehicle, why do I need an airbag? How many people do you know that have had accidents? How many of those people had their lives saved by the airbag deployment? I will guarantee the lives saved by airbags are a startlingly low percentage compared to "just" seatbelts (where maybe the airbag deployed but didn't actually affect survivability). However, that low percentage will be forever grateful for the airbag deployment...

Sorry, rant over. I wear leg straps; because I can, and you can't tell me I can't, because I won't listen! LOL! Not arguing, just stating my POV for what it is. That being said, my current saddles either have Raptor buckles or "Raptor-like" which is better than g-hooks or plastic...

On the other hand, I'll take crappy brakes over no brakes, but not saying it's a good commercial manufacturing standpoint...
 
bowhunthard88 said:
A more realistic analogy is that of an air bag in a vehicle. I have a seatbelt in my vehicle, why do I need an airbag? How many people do you know that have had accidents? How many of those people had their lives saved by the airbag deployment? I will guarantee the lives saved by airbags are a startlingly low percentage compared to "just" seatbelts (where maybe the airbag deployed but didn't actually affect survivability). However, that low percentage will be forever grateful for the airbag deployment...

Sorry, rant over. I wear leg straps; because I can, and you can't tell me I can't, because I won't listen! LOL! Not arguing, just stating my POV for what it is. That being said, my current saddles either have Raptor buckles or "Raptor-like" which is better than g-hooks or plastic...

On the other hand, I'll take crappy brakes over no brakes, but not saying it's a good commercial manufacturing standpoint...
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I think the analogies are sort of pointless. Do saddle companies need to pass safety tests to get insured? What type of testing do they do if any?

I guess I always thought that if leg straps were indeed a requirement to make the saddle safe and this was common knowledge based off of any testing, they would be made with fall rated equipment across the board. And if that is a wrong statement, then that’s a can of worms.
 
Well.. since a saddle is probably more of a positioning device than a fall arrest. I can make a case that the saddle doesn't need them. I can make a case where I was hanging from them when 1 sticking in a transformer in the AM when I didn't realize my saddle had slid up and explained why it hurt while hanging there to move my stick sitting in the leg straps.
IMO a saddle with leg straps climbing up sticks with just a Lineman's belt really don't save much if you fall. The rope can slide down the tree just as easily as sliding out of your saddle.
Certain ways of climbing leg straps seem like a pretty good idea. Some ways i would say doesn't matter.
G-hooks have held up in tests. So if set properly should do their job.
 
peteherbst said:
I think the analogies are sort of pointless. Do saddle companies need to pass safety tests to get insured? What type of testing do they do if any?

I guess I always thought that if leg straps were indeed a requirement to make the saddle safe and this was common knowledge based off of any testing, they would be made with fall rated equipment across the board. And if that is a wrong statement, then that’s a can of worms.
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To this point, saddles are not classified as a fall arrest, so nothing is technically required beyond what you may want for your insurance policy costs. That's why this is open ended.
 
Its just a tree seat....or treestand replacement for most....did you consider your treestand à fall arest system or just à tree seat.....whats the rating on the treestand leg straps?...the treestand waistbelt with rated cobra buckle?whats the treestand redundancy?did you backup your gri gri on your treestand?is that treestand grade 8 steel?what if you are climbing the tree and for no apprent logical reason the treestand spits you out?you should have a backup parachute.the argument is à simply are not mandatory for safety.if one man needs à crutch to walk the same mile thats fine .....just say you need a crutch.....let him have his crutch.it makes em feel warm n cozey
 
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Chandler96 said:
If it's weird don't look at this thread easy enough. Why did you comment so you can continue to feel good about using leg straps? I'm having a discussion on a forum. I mean I could be wrong but usually forums are designed to have discussions.
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It's quite simple. My description of your behavior here is accurate and yours of mine is not. The truth is its own defense.

I'll do one better and add you to my modest blocked list.
 
gcr0003 said:
I have not heard one single semblance of a coherent argument which has even come close to supporting how legs straps serve no purpose, are not required, don’t keep you safe/safer…
-other people do it, is not an argument
-some companies do it, is not an argument
-I’ve never died, is not an argument
-I can make my own judgement (is true) but, is also not an argument
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Reminds me of the folks that won't wear seatbelts and the "argument" is...."I knew a guy that got in a wreck and I think the seat belt trapped him and he would've lived if he didn't have it on".....I apologize to anyone here that uses that argument....but it's seriously the most ridiculous thing....you could teach a logic lecture simply on tearing that one apart.
 
If à metior dose strike your nuts and some how you are hanging there.the legstraps will cut off circulation and kill you if some one isnt there to recover you.thats what osha says about real fall arest systemsScreenshot_20230828_160315_Gallery.jpgretrained every 2 years to know what im actualy talking about...and your saddle is in no way à sfety apparatice...
Period
 
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MattMan81 said:
Well.. since a saddle is probably more of a positioning device than a fall arrest. I can make a case that the saddle doesn't need them. I can make a case where I was hanging from them when 1 sticking in a transformer in the AM when I didn't realize my saddle had slid up and explained why it hurt while hanging there to move my stick sitting in the leg straps.
IMO a saddle with leg straps climbing up sticks with just a Lineman's belt really don't save much if you fall. The rope can slide down the tree just as easily as sliding out of your saddle.
Certain ways of climbing leg straps seem like a pretty good idea. Some ways i would say doesn't matter.
G-hooks have held up in tests. So if set properly should do their job.
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So an arborist saddle doesn't need leg straps ? They are positioning devices too.
 
tailgunner said:
If à metior dose strike your nuts and some how you are hanging there.the legstraps will cut off circulation and kill you if some one isnt there to recover you.thats what osha says about real fall arest systemsView attachment 93440retrained every 2 years to know what im actualy talking about...and your saddle is in no way à sfety apparatice...
Period
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Man, I don't miss sitting through OSHA training!!

Suspension Trauma is real, though!! I like the leg straps, but they aren't designed for you to hang in them for hours.

ohsonline.com

Suspension Trauma -- Occupational Health & Safety

Those writing fall protection plans must understand the hazards of harness hang syndrome in fall protection.
ohsonline.com ohsonline.com
 
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