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Embedded arrow continuous damage

Would it be safe to say that a fixed blade has a much higher chance of after impact damage vs the mechanical floppy blades?
 
Weldabeast said:
Would it be safe to say that a fixed blade has a much higher chance of after impact damage vs the mechanical floppy blades?
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I would think it's a definite maybe. Depends on the heads being compared. For instance a G5 deadmeat with good sharp blades might do more damage in this scenario than a cheap fixed blade that wasnt very sharp to start with and the blade edge dulled more or curled on the shot. By the same token if you compare a spitfire that will close if it backs up in the animal to say an iron will or daysix head, no question the fixed head has far greater ability to continue to do damage.
 
Allegheny Tom said:
It was an arrow one arrow, not arrows. One shot, one entrance and 2 exit holes.
I really don't know how I got 2 exit holes but it most certainly happened. Yes the front few inches of shaft broke off, outside of the buck, not internally so that had to occur after the 2nd hole was formed. I can also say that the buck didn't fall on that side of his body so the 2nd hole wasn't caused from falling on the broken arrow tip/broadhead.
The point that I am trying to make is there can be a lot of things that happen to wounds, etc during the violent reactions after a shot. Deer often fall and/or roll over on an arrow. And the amount of leverage on the arrow itself as it smacks against brush can cause all sorts of forces to occur.
Some guys have resonded that muscle and other body parts would support the shaft and reduce internal damage but they are not considering the amout of shaft movement that moving muscles, and flexing body parts that are exerted upon the shaft.
Shaft material needs to be taken into account as well. A cedar shaft cannot be compared to a carbon when we examine potential leverage. Cedar will snap well sooner than the carbon giving the latter a greater chance of continued leverage.

With that being said, I think that we all agree that having an exit wound is the goal.
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Could the shattered bone have made the 2nd hole?
 
My compound is pretty powerful, so I don't have arrows left in deer. But if a broadhead is inside the lungs and on a carbon arrow that isn't breaking, then as the deer bangs the end of the arrow on brush then the broadhead has to be moving inside and cutting.
 
Had it happen 2x this year. I have posted these earlier under different posts for similar but different discussions. First one I hit the shoulder area and when it ran off I could see 1/3 of the arrow sticking out and the lighted knock was cranking around as it ran off. I found blood after about 40-50 yds and the blood progressed until we found the deer at about 100 yds. When we got to the deer the arrow was sticking out from the shoulder and you could see the pattern of the broadhead under the skin of the neck.
20220915_150836.jpg It was odd looking as the deer was quartering away and I was about 10 yds away up in my saddle when I shot. When I after skinning the deer I could see that the broadhead (Cutthroat 200 GN) took a chip out of the humerus knuckle then passed into the throat and the broadhead exited the throat under the lower jaw. I was aiming behind the shoulder however the deer had to have ducked and spun on the shot for an arrow shot from above to enter from below the shoulder. I think the arrow worked its way up into the throat as it ran because when I watched it run off 1/3 of the arrow was sticking out the side and if it was up into the throat at that point all I would have see would be the nock.

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The second time it happened the broad head (200 gn Iron Will SB) was sticking out of the chest behind the offside leg and continued to pierce and shave hair off the inside of the leg. This obvioulsy did not add to the kill however it does show that it keeps working after the initial hit. I thought it was weird I kept finding shaved hair in the blood trail.
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Nosaj said:
Had it happen 2x this year. I have posted these earlier under different posts for similar but different discussions. First one I hit the shoulder area and when it ran off I could see 1/3 of the arrow sticking out and the lighted knock was cranking around as it ran off. I found blood after about 40-50 yds and the blood progressed until we found the deer at about 100 yds. When we got to the deer the arrow was sticking out from the shoulder and you could see the pattern of the broadhead under the skin of the neck.
View attachment 78512 It was odd looking as the deer was quartering away and I was about 10 yds away up in my saddle when I shot. When I after skinning the deer I could see that the broadhead (Cutthroat 200 GN) took a chip out of the humerus knuckle then passed into the throat and the broadhead exited the throat under the lower jaw. I was aiming behind the shoulder however the deer had to have ducked and spun on the shot for an arrow shot from above to enter from below the shoulder. I think the arrow worked its way up into the throat as it ran because when I watched it run off 1/3 of the arrow was sticking out the side and if it was up into the throat at that point all I would have see would be the nock.

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The second time it happened the broad head (200 gn Iron Will SB) was stiking out of the chest behind the offside leg and continued to pierce and shave hair off the inside of the leg. This obvioulsy did not add to the kill however it does show that it keeps working after the initial hit. I thought it was weird I kept finding shaved hair in the blood trail.
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The owner of Black Widow recurves was an early advocate of stick shooters going to carbon, and this was one of his main reasons why.
 
You can see how much working the broadhead did on the exit under the chin. The entrance was close to the 1-1/8" width of the broadhead and the exit was about 3".
 
I have heard Monty Browning tell the story of his first rhinoceros he killed with his bow. If I remember, right, he got about 8 inches of penetration. When they field dressed the rhino, the one lung was cut completely in half horizontally. He believes it was done by the broadhead, working back-and-forth as the rhino ran off and the arrow was smacking trees.
 
GCTerpfan said:
I have heard Monty Browning tell the story of his first rhinoceros he killed with his bow. If I remember, right, he got about 8 inches of penetration. When they field dressed the rhino, the one lung was cut completely in half horizontally. He believes it was done by the broadhead, working back-and-forth as the rhino ran off and the arrow was smacking trees.
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Gotta love Monty. Have you seen the clip from the Wensel video where he sneaks up on a hog and grabs it by the hind legs? It's classic.
 
Allegheny Tom said:
Gotta love Monty. Have you seen the clip from the Wensel video where he sneaks up on a hog and grabs it by the hind legs? It's classic.
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I haven’t but, I’ve listened to his stories on several podcasts. If I could choose any person to hunt with for a weekend Monty Browning would probably be top of that list.
 
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