Friction Hitches

[DelaWhere_Arrow]

Hey friends. I am hoping someone has a name or a prior @Brocky sketch or an opinion here. What do I have here? It's similar to the Agile Hitch in its construction but evenly loads both sets of strands off the top and into the bottom of the helix... in that light, it's similar to the Longhorn Agile... cuz I can break it under load. It self tends beautifully. It's completely compact and non jamming. And of course, we tune the # of wraps as necessary. I tied it starting with the cord inside the carabiner: 5 wraps upward, straight down and around the back (like Agile), then closed around the carabiner with a flat overhand bend, tied as compact as possible.

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Very cool hitch.
I’m not the guy to ask if this already exists, but in keeping with the Agile naming convention, maybe this could be the Acrobat hitch, Trapeze hitch, something like that.
Pending confirmation that it doesn’t already exist…

 

[krub6b]

Hey friends. I am hoping someone has a name or a prior @Brocky sketch or an opinion here. What do I have here? It's similar to the Agile Hitch in its construction but evenly loads both sets of strands off the top and into the bottom of the helix... in that light, it's similar to the Longhorn Agile... cuz I can break it under load. It self tends beautifully. It's completely compact and non jamming. And of course, we tune the # of wraps as necessary. I tied it starting with the cord inside the carabiner: 5 wraps upward, straight down and around the back (like Agile), then closed around the carabiner with a flat overhand bend, tied as compact as possible.

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Well here's another one to try I suppose lol. Am I wrong in assuming once tied you could leave this tied as a loop and simply insert your carabineer through the two end loops?

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[John RB]

Very cool hitch.
I’m not the guy to ask if this already exists, but in keeping with the Agile naming convention, maybe this could be the Acrobat hitch, Trapeze hitch, something like that.
Pending confirmation that it doesn’t already exist…

If it needs a name... well, the motivation came from a question from a Wounded Warrior. And I was thinking about the Warrior Hitch as a dedication. But if Brocky already drew it up, I would want him to decide.

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[phatkaw]

If it needs a name... well, the motivation came from a question from a Wounded Warrior. And I was thinking about the Warrior Hitch as a dedication. But if Brocky already drew it up, I would want him to decide.

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If Brocky already 'drew that one up' I'm certain he'd approve of your name vs. his 'number designation'...

 

[John RB]

Well here's another one to try I suppose lol. Am I wrong in assuming once tied you could leave this tied as a loop and simply insert your carabineer through the two end loops?

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I learned this from the compact JRB Ascender Hitch ... even though the answer is yes, in real climbing and hunting situations, any hitch has the tendency to get disheveled, and so, it's not a best practice. In the JRBAH, it was possible to mis identify the two loops I wanted. In this one, it could just come undone. A trick i have used in these situations is to add a small cable tie, very loose, but in the location i want my carabiner.

Also, a detail about these compact, non jamming, two loop hitches is that we gotta have em tied just right. Too much slack and they slip... too tight and they don't move well. My testing on this isn't complete but so far, so good.
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[Brocky]

It is a VT variation called the Chris Coates, which he developed from the Cooper Hitch. I also came up with the same hitch and called it a Condensed Cooper, I go with his naming on my drawing. Your hitch as pictured is riding side saddle, or isn’t finished for it to be the Coates. Rotate the top wrap around to the front and the twist on the bottom left to the back to complete it. Yours might maintain its form if tied tight enough, loosely tied and it wants to turn into the Coates. Pop a ring in the front and it’s the Sticht.

I found you need the same number of wraps when using a loop like a double eye hitch cord, making it longer, and with larger eyes, for more chance of possible cross loading.

 

[phatkaw]

Hey Brocky, how on Earth can you remember all of that $h!t ???

I can't remember what I had for breakfast and I'm STILL eating it... hahahaha

 

[John RB]

It is a VT variation called the Chris Coates, which he developed from the Cooper Hitch. I also came up with the same hitch and called it a Condensed Cooper, I go with his naming on my drawing. Your hitch as pictured is riding side saddle, or isn’t finished for it to be the Coates. Rotate the top wrap around to the front and the twist on the bottom left to the back to complete it. Yours might maintain its form if tied tight enough, loosely tied and it wants to turn into the Coates. Pop a ring in the front and it’s the Sticht.

I found you need the same number of wraps when using a loop like a double eye hitch cord, making it longer, and with larger eyes, for more chance of possible cross loading.

Awesome and thanks. If you find a drawing somewhere, pls post it.

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[Brocky]

The Cooper on the left, the length of the legs after the wraps determines how much they need to be twisted, not enough and it won’t grab, too many times and it’s hard to slide.
Top right is the Coates, notice how much the twist stretches without the ring.

 

[John RB]

Hey Brocky and friends. The background here is thar I have been working on improvements to a non mechanical RAD SRT system I started years ago and gave up on... anyway, I like having a really compact hitch for the pulley so i can push it up as high as possible and get maximum reach... and something i can open and close the load loop around an object without untying it
... and no metal on metal. This has been working great. For something i open often, i use a hard toggle.

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[Brocky]

A less metal, no moving parts option is to replace the pulley with a low friction ring. Arborists have used a pulley on a fixed rope to create a moving rope system to work the tree, when SRT first became popular, it was called the Secret Weapon.

 

[DelaWhere_Arrow]

The Cooper on the left, the length of the legs after the wraps determines how much they need to be twisted, not enough and it won’t grab, too many times and it’s hard to slide.
Top right is the Coates, notice how much the twist stretches without the ring.
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Coates looks a lot like the Sticht. What’s the main difference(s)?

 

[Brocky]

The only difference is the ring, which puts a slight bend in the rope, and doesn’t allow the twist in back to stretch out.

 

[John RB]

The only difference is the ring, which puts a slight bend in the rope, and doesn’t allow the twist in back to stretch out.

The ring requires us to run the entire rope through, of course. The pulley is midline attached and less friction. The hitch holds really well btw. Climbed on it a bunch today. Hard to break

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[cibor]

I saw someone else mention this one in a different thread but because of it I started using the Cornell Hitch. Has worked beautifully for me so far.

 

[Bigfoot522]

I used WLR for awhile but I have moved on.
I have my own twist on things now.
Easy and quick to tie, instant grab, soft release and minimal (no) set back.

Disregard my figure 8. I have explained my system previously.
For you guys just fold your cord in half to make a bight to clip into.

My cord is rei 8mm accessory cord and my climb lines are 11-12mm.

I have not tried this on other cord and ropes but am pretty sure it will work. Just try it on your own stuff if you like.

Take 36 inches of cord and fold in half.
Make four turns with both legs keeping them fron crossing each other.
Take the top leg and pass it thru itself then lay it next to the other leg.
This is a double leg modified Blakes hitch.
Pass both legs thru two wraps which is really one turn because of double legs.
Tie stopper knots

 

[Bigfoot522]

It takes very little to make it hold.
Thats my mod by taking the top leg thru itself thats all it took to make this work.
Without that turn it wouldn’t grab by itself but would grab immediately if I touched it.

It works very good and doesn’t bind.

 

[Brocky]

The ring requires us to run the entire rope through, of course. The pulley is midline attached and less friction. The hitch holds really well btw. Climbed on it a bunch today. Hard to break

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After a couple of adjustments, rope can go in midline, and a moving sheave.

 

[smcchevy]

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After a couple of adjustments, rope can go in midline, and a moving sheave.

That's cool, could thread bridge in there is it's "opening capable"

 

[Brocky]

It takes very little to make it hold.
Thats my mod by taking the top leg thru itself thats all it took to make this work.
Without that turn it wouldn’t grab by itself but would grab immediately if I touched it.

It works very good and doesn’t bind.

Tried your doubled Blake’s, works great, some cord-rope combinations didn’t need the special tuck at the top that you came up with. The one thing I didn’t like was no self tending, but after a few attempts, came up with an easy way to do it. Double the cord and form the eye, put the bottom half of eye on top as usual, but put the top one under the rope, and bring together, and finishing tying as usual. I put the two ends through the bottom three wraps to keep the stopper more in back.