Gunsmith Question

[TooBigToFit]

It’s the lower receiver or portion of firearm with the trigger that is technically considered the weapon, all other portions are considered components (to include barrels). Manufacturers put the serial number on this portion but it is illegal to ship this portion (part with trigger assemble or where trigger is located) of a firearm without going through an ffl to transfer, such as lower receivers, pistols frames. Actions can be shipped without going through an ffl, ex being complete upper receiver, bolt actions without triggers attached, pistol slides etc..


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It is not always the portion with the trigger that is the receiver. HK G3/HK33/MP5 lower frames contain the trigger, but are not considered the lower receiver. You can buy an HK G3 trigger group, with full auto parts, and have it shipped to your door like a pair of underwear from Amazon.

 

[SnakeEater]

It is not always the portion with the trigger that is the receiver. HK G3/HK33/MP5 lower frames contain the trigger, but are not considered the lower receiver. You can buy an HK G3 trigger group, with full auto parts, and have it shipped to your door like a pair of underwear from Amazon.

Yes, and you can buy triggers for any gun and have it shipped to your door. Is the portion of firearm that would contain the trigger or trigger assembly that you can’t ship. Like I mentioned.

AR lower, with or without trigger, ship to ffl (excluding 80%)
AR triggers, ship to your door.
Same with all firearms

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[TooBigToFit]

Yes, and you can buy triggers for any gun and have it shipped to your door. Is the portion of firearm that would contain the trigger or trigger assembly that you can’t ship. Like I mentioned.


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Again, not true. You can buy the whole lower receiver of a G3 and have it shipped to your door. Same as an FAL.

 

[SnakeEater]

Ok, ill bite. Then from where?


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[TooBigToFit]

Ok, ill bite. Then from where?


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Practically everywhere. Numrich, Keepshooting, HK Parts... On a HK style roller delayed firearm, the upper receiver contains the serial number. The lower receiver, with the trigger groups, are uncontrolled, non serialized (at least, for Federal purposes) parts. Same thing with FALs.

Here's one of my more used stores for HK parts...

G3 STEEL SEF LOWER STRIPPED, USED, GERMAN

G3 STEEL SEF LOWER STRIPPED, USED, GERMAN

www.robertrtg.com

Here's one complete with parts

G3 STEEL SEF LOWER COMPLETE, GREEN GRIP

G3 STEEL SEF LOWER COMPLETE, GREEN GRIP

www.robertrtg.com

 

[SnakeEater]

Practically everywhere. Numrich, Keepshooting, HK Parts... On a HK style roller delayed firearm, the upper receiver contains the serial number. The lower receiver, with the trigger groups, are uncontrolled, non serialized (at least, for Federal purposes) parts. Same thing with FALs.

Here's one of my more used stores for HK parts...

G3 STEEL SEF LOWER STRIPPED, USED, GERMAN

G3 STEEL SEF LOWER STRIPPED, USED, GERMAN

www.robertrtg.com

Here's one complete with parts

G3 STEEL SEF LOWER COMPLETE, GREEN GRIP

G3 STEEL SEF LOWER COMPLETE, GREEN GRIP

www.robertrtg.com

These aren’t actually receivers. With these types of firearms they are “trigger housings” regardless of what others label them as. That’s why they may be shipped tyd. Maybe a work around but not a receiver. But you got me here, almost all H&K and fn firearms are built around a similar design and I can assume fall outside of the norm I mentioned above bc these firearms don’t have an upper and lower receiver, just a single receiver that the trigger assembly attaches too.

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[SnakeEater]

Sorry op for hijacking thread lol


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[TooBigToFit]

These aren’t actually receivers. With these types of firearms they are “trigger housings” regardless of what others label them as. That’s why they may be shipped tyd. Maybe a work around but not a receiver.

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That's what I'm saying. That the receiver (legally, from the aspect of is it serialized and do you need an FFL) is not necessarily the portion of the firearm that the trigger goes into.

The fact of the matter is, the GCA68 definition of a firearm receiver is written based on things like bolt action rifles and stuff like that, and that firearms designs haven't necessarily fit into that. The ATF then applies interpretations to that lead to things like the P320 trigger frame thing, and the AR15 lower receiver. The fact that AR15 lower doesn't strictly meet the federal definition of a receiver has actually been part of a recent lawsuit.

(And yeah, sorry for hijacking your thread OP)

 

[SnakeEater]

That's what I'm saying. That the receiver (legally, from the aspect of is it serialized and do you need an FFL) is not necessarily the portion of the firearm that the trigger goes into.

The fact of the matter is, the GCA68 definition of a firearm receiver is written based on things like bolt action rifles and stuff like that, and that firearms designs haven't necessarily fit into that. The ATF then applies interpretations to that lead to things like the P320 trigger frame thing, and the AR15 lower receiver. The fact that AR15 lower doesn't strictly meet the federal definition of a receiver has actually been part of a recent lawsuit.

(And yeah, sorry for hijacking your thread OP)

But it is, like a shotgun. 1 receiver. The trigger and assemble go into the one receiver. The 2 guns you listed have one receiver where the trigger and assemble go into. I guess my explanation wasn’t clear. With 2 receivers, upper & lower, the lower is where the trigger and assembly attach to and require ffl, with 1 receiver then the only receiver requires ffl.

I think we’re arguing over different verbiage but both understand and agree on the same thing.

Go to and ffl if your unsure folks lol

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[Tr33_n1nj@]

I looked into this FFL thing at one time when I wanted to do custom finishes. I understood it like this: Gunsmith or Gunsmithing needs an FFL (but it’s different than an FFL dealer). Cosmetic work does not. Who defines that? Your friendly neighborhood ATF agents, that’s who. They told me “refinishing” is gunsmithing, “painting” is not. So it literally depended on the material used. Also told me if doing it “for profit” and I accept the whole gun overnight, I need an FFL and would have to be available for ATF inspections, and subject to cerrtain on-site security requirements - secure gun storage area, background checks on other people with access, etc.

point being, I would think a machinist could do the work if they did it “right”

 

[TooBigToFit]

With 2 receivers, upper & lower, the lower is where the trigger and assembly attach to and require ffl

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This is what I'm saying isn't always true. It often is the case, but again, there's guns like the G3/HK91, (now, thinking of it, most of HK's non AR derived guns) G36/SL8, UMP/USC, FN FAL, CETME (I mean, it's basically the G3's daddy).

All of those guns have a lower where the complete fire control mechanism including trigger is, and all none of those lowers (or any parts in them) are serialized or require an FFL to receive.