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Hanging a fixed platform or treestand with chains/cables instead of straps

BackSpasm

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Hey guys,

I have some presets I have been using on private I hunt and that I set up for others to use. I am always nervous about rachet straps rusting, wearing, and failing over time and its a burden to always be climbing up and tightening and checking them before season etc.

Can someone please explain how to use chains or cables to hang a stand or platform to get a more secure and lasting connection? What size chain do I need? What length? How to tighten correctly? What linkage to use? I know some of the OGs on here have been doing this for a long time.
 
I still have a Loc-On LEM that uses a chain and it’s one of my presets. The chain is fastened to the upper support that goes against the tree where the seat is attached to the stand. One side of the chain is bolted with two large washers and a lock nut. The other side has a large hook bolted to it at the same height as the other side of the chain. You simply wrap the chain around and hook it to the link that fits the tree the tightest. I still take it down after the season. The stand must be almost 40 years ild.
 
3/8 harden bolt long enough to get thru two links with some washers and the acorn nut. Wrap around the tree and bolt the other side thru two links would be the simplest. You could bolt each end to the stand it's self of you wanted. But would take a little work..
When I first hung stands I would use the straps, and I had a chain with a lock on them for security and back up to the strap. Chain with a master lock on it will hold 300 lbs if needed. But I recommend a bolt with washers to be safe.
Use a locking acorn nut. Twist the chain some if you need to shorten it a little..
 
I won't address exactly which chain to use because, like everything else made today, I assume there are different grades and qualities.
The inside diameter size of all my chain links is 1"x 5/16"; each link is 3/16" dia. Seem like a 5 foot length is usually long enough but it's a good idea to carry a short extension and a quick link.

You can bolt the chain on one side. Always be consistent with which side of your stands that the chain is permanent and which side the hook is on. Doing so will standardize your climbing and hanging scheme. I always climb with the plan that I'll hang the stand on my left. I cut my teeth using Screaming Eagle stands and they have their hook on the right side (when viewed facing the tree). Which side you choose doesn't really matter but keeping them consistent from stand to stand is a good idea.

I like a rigid hook, instead of a floppy link like some of the cheaper stands use. The rigid hook is easier to hook the chain on. There's lots of hook styles on the market. I like a "J" shaped hook that's welded onto the stand frame. You can easily make a "J" hook from another link of chain...might want to use a heavier chain link for that, just make sure that it's dia will accommodate hooking the chain onto it.

Keep in mind with the hook that the deeper the throat of the "J" the more critical it will be for hooking and unhooking the chain. Some species of tree grow extremely fast and you might be surprised at how quickly (one growing season) a chain will be so tight that it's almost impossible to unhook. A deep hook means that you'll need more chain slack to get the link over the end of the hook. Just a slight "J" seems to do the job on most sized trees. A huge diameter tree will pull the chain on a wider angle in relation to the hook so just be aware.

For actual hanging, here's what I've done for decades.
Tie on a permanent haul line and attach it up near the seat. Doing that will keep the stand oriented as you pull it up. If you tie to the platform, you may have to fight with getting the stand in the pre-hang position.
The tag-end on that haul line should have a loop tied in it which will be used to temporarily hold the stand from a hook to free up your hands.
When I get to height, I install the temp hook on the tree. There are a ton of options for that. A bolt, cup hook, gear hanging strap (with a bow hanger on it) will all work well. I pull the stand up and hook the haul line loop on that hanger in the position that I want that stand. Now my hands are free. Don't try to hold the stand with one hand while you try to manage the chain with the other. Sometimes you can get away with holding it and sometimes you can't. Sometimes it's hard to predict how difficult/easy it will be to set a stand on a particular tree. Seems like a bump, or knot, branch, lean, etc will surprise you making it difficult to get a firm set. Having hands free is easier and safer.
And I have to mention, if you aren't hanging stands with a saddle and tethered (instead of using the lineman's belt) you are missing the boat. With a tether, you can sit back and rest if need be, prune, scrutinize the position, etc. And the tether will be up above and out of the way. The lineman's belt is ALWAYS in the way of where the stand will set on the tree. I can't stress enough how much easier it is to hang stands while tethered.

Okay, you are at height, relaxed in your saddle and the stand is temporarily hung by the haul line loop from the temp hook.
It's not mandatory, but I usually have a short bungee cord that I hook thru the chain and stretch around the back of the tree and hook onto the stand somewhere near the stand hook. This helps keep sag and slop out of the chain during the process of actually hooking the chain to the stand. It's just one small step to make the process as easy as we can.
Here's where you'll have to make a decision on which link is the best link. A taught chain is okay but remember that you need to remove it someday. We hung stands in Iowa one March and when we finished our hunt in November, one tree species grew so much that we had much difficulty getting the chains unhooked. That's a good reason to use a bolt to attach the chain to the stand...easier to remove a tight chain.

The next step is to actually "set" the stand. 1st thing is to unhook the haul line from the temp hook. At this point, without a bungee the stand could slip depending on the shape and bark of the tree. The bungee keeps everything in place when you unhook the haul line.

Next...double check your tether, reposition it if need be, remove slack, etc and care full step down onto the platform and make sure that all contact points are set against the tree. At that point, give a firm "stomp" near the back of the platform as close to the tree as you can. The stand should be firm and in place.
You can add an additional strap near the bottom for extra security. and eliminate a kick-out if you were to apply side pressure. But do not attach the strap until the stand is completely set. If you put the strap on and snug it during the initial "set" procedure, that strap will interfere with to stand firmly setting the chain tight. Set the stand 1st, THEN attach a secondary strap if desired. The strap only need to be snug, not overly tight. You aren't intending on it to take load, only to prevent kick out from side pressure. Load is to be taken by the upper connection (chain). If the strap is set too tight, and done so before the initial "set", the strap can actually prevent the stand from achieving a tight set.

Now, with all of that said, I've started swapping out chains on some of my stands with Amsteel daisy chains and using a trucker's hitch. It's a few pounds lighter, quieter, and actually easier to get a tight set.
Even though I've never experienced rodent chewing to Amsteel, it's still not metal. Can UV weaken it? Can a stand saboteur cut it? Not certain, judge for yourself and make your own decisions on safety tolerances.
 
I won't address exactly which chain to use because, like everything else made today, I assume there are different grades and qualities.
The inside diameter size of all my chain links is 1"x 5/16"; each link is 3/16" dia. Seem like a 5 foot length is usually long enough but it's a good idea to carry a short extension and a quick link.

You can bolt the chain on one side. Always be consistent with which side of your stands that the chain is permanent and which side the hook is on. Doing so will standardize your climbing and hanging scheme. I always climb with the plan that I'll hang the stand on my left. I cut my teeth using Screaming Eagle stands and they have their hook on the right side (when viewed facing the tree). Which side you choose doesn't really matter but keeping them consistent from stand to stand is a good idea.

I like a rigid hook, instead of a floppy link like some of the cheaper stands use. The rigid hook is easier to hook the chain on. There's lots of hook styles on the market. I like a "J" shaped hook that's welded onto the stand frame. You can easily make a "J" hook from another link of chain...might want to use a heavier chain link for that, just make sure that it's dia will accommodate hooking the chain onto it.

Keep in mind with the hook that the deeper the throat of the "J" the more critical it will be for hooking and unhooking the chain. Some species of tree grow extremely fast and you might be surprised at how quickly (one growing season) a chain will be so tight that it's almost impossible to unhook. A deep hook means that you'll need more chain slack to get the link over the end of the hook. Just a slight "J" seems to do the job on most sized trees. A huge diameter tree will pull the chain on a wider angle in relation to the hook so just be aware.

For actual hanging, here's what I've done for decades.
Tie on a permanent haul line and attach it up near the seat. Doing that will keep the stand oriented as you pull it up. If you tie to the platform, you may have to fight with getting the stand in the pre-hang position.
The tag-end on that haul line should have a loop tied in it which will be used to temporarily hold the stand from a hook to free up your hands.
When I get to height, I install the temp hook on the tree. There are a ton of options for that. A bolt, cup hook, gear hanging strap (with a bow hanger on it) will all work well. I pull the stand up and hook the haul line loop on that hanger in the position that I want that stand. Now my hands are free. Don't try to hold the stand with one hand while you try to manage the chain with the other. Sometimes you can get away with holding it and sometimes you can't. Sometimes it's hard to predict how difficult/easy it will be to set a stand on a particular tree. Seems like a bump, or knot, branch, lean, etc will surprise you making it difficult to get a firm set. Having hands free is easier and safer.
And I have to mention, if you aren't hanging stands with a saddle and tethered (instead of using the lineman's belt) you are missing the boat. With a tether, you can sit back and rest if need be, prune, scrutinize the position, etc. And the tether will be up above and out of the way. The lineman's belt is ALWAYS in the way of where the stand will set on the tree. I can't stress enough how much easier it is to hang stands while tethered.

Okay, you are at height, relaxed in your saddle and the stand is temporarily hung by the haul line loop from the temp hook.
It's not mandatory, but I usually have a short bungee cord that I hook thru the chain and stretch around the back of the tree and hook onto the stand somewhere near the stand hook. This helps keep sag and slop out of the chain during the process of actually hooking the chain to the stand. It's just one small step to make the process as easy as we can.
Here's where you'll have to make a decision on which link is the best link. A taught chain is okay but remember that you need to remove it someday. We hung stands in Iowa one March and when we finished our hunt in November, one tree species grew so much that we had much difficulty getting the chains unhooked. That's a good reason to use a bolt to attach the chain to the stand...easier to remove a tight chain.

The next step is to actually "set" the stand. 1st thing is to unhook the haul line from the temp hook. At this point, without a bungee the stand could slip depending on the shape and bark of the tree. The bungee keeps everything in place when you unhook the haul line.

Next...double check your tether, reposition it if need be, remove slack, etc and care full step down onto the platform and make sure that all contact points are set against the tree. At that point, give a firm "stomp" near the back of the platform as close to the tree as you can. The stand should be firm and in place.
You can add an additional strap near the bottom for extra security. and eliminate a kick-out if you were to apply side pressure. But do not attach the strap until the stand is completely set. If you put the strap on and snug it during the initial "set" procedure, that strap will interfere with to stand firmly setting the chain tight. Set the stand 1st, THEN attach a secondary strap if desired. The strap only need to be snug, not overly tight. You aren't intending on it to take load, only to prevent kick out from side pressure. Load is to be taken by the upper connection (chain). If the strap is set too tight, and done so before the initial "set", the strap can actually prevent the stand from achieving a tight set.

Now, with all of that said, I've started swapping out chains on some of my stands with Amsteel daisy chains and using a trucker's hitch. It's a few pounds lighter, quieter, and actually easier to get a tight set.
Even though I've never experienced rodent chewing to Amsteel, it's still not metal. Can UV weaken it? Can a stand saboteur cut it? Not certain, judge for yourself and make your own decisions on safety tolerances.

Wow this is masterful thank you for taking the time to write it all down!!!
 
I would encourage not leaving stands up all year. I know it is a pain to deal with putting them up and taking them down but they need to be thoroughly inspected every year and either parts or whole stands need to be replaced when it is appropriate. This is esp true if you are hanging sets for others to use. I had a cable break this year and and it was a little sketchy for a minute but I was in my saddle and prepared to get down if the whole platform had gone out from under me. No one else on the private where that happened would have been prepared to deal with that.

I am with @Allegheny Tom that I think we will most likely be changing out all the platform cables for amsteel in the off season and either replace the straps or switch them to amsteel as well.
 
I would encourage not leaving stands up all year. I know it is a pain to deal with putting them up and taking them down but they need to be thoroughly inspected every year and either parts or whole stands need to be replaced when it is appropriate. This is esp true if you are hanging sets for others to use. I had a cable break this year and and it was a little sketchy for a minute but I was in my saddle and prepared to get down if the whole platform had gone out from under me. No one else on the private where that happened would have been prepared to deal with that.

I am with @Allegheny Tom that I think we will most likely be changing out all the platform cables for amsteel in the off season and either replace the straps or switch them to amsteel as well.
I would like to see how you change the cables to Amsteel.
I have a old Non Typical stand that needs new cables and I can't find the correct length. @Allegheny Tom you got any pics?
 
I would like to see how you change the cables to Amsteel.
I have a old Non Typical stand that needs new cables and I can't find the correct length. @Allegheny Tom you got any pics?
Make or buy some versa buttons and make amsteel whoopie slings is what I did on the windwalker I bought because I wanted to be able to level the platform. Original windwalker couldnt be leveled.

Make for dang sure you are making them properly, they will be what is holding you in the air. Test them thoroughly at ground level or close enough not to get fubar if you didnt make them right.
 
I would like to see how you change the cables to Amsteel.
I have a old Non Typical stand that needs new cables and I can't find the correct length. @Allegheny Tom you got any pics?
For replacing cables, I've done 2 things.
Option 1) I went from cables, after seeing them rust out, to chain. I used a lighter chain for this purpose than I used for the main chain. I bolted a single chain link on the platform and I bolted (or weld) the replacement for the cable (the lighter duty chain) up on the vertical post. I used a quick link to attach the light duty chain to the QL. That set-up allowed me to adjust the platform level/lean by just choosing which chain link to hook the QL to. Chain worked pretty well but it's a little heavier and a bit noisy during transport and set-up. I rubber-dipped a lot of those chains and it helped a lot to quiet them.
Option 2) I swapped out cables to 1/8" Amsteel whoopee sling. I just left one chain link attached (welded or bolted) onto the platform and the other one onto the vertical post. I girth hitched one end of the whoopee on the bottom link and I ran the other end of Amsteel thru the top link and then formed the whoopee. It's lighter than any other option, super quiet, safe, secure, and with either the chain option or the Amsteel, they are adjustable. Leveling the platform is absolutely mandatory IME. It's a long day, hunting dawn till dark on a hang-on platform that isn't level. Even if we do a hybrid of saddle hunting from a hang-on we will still need to have a platform that the angle/pitch can be fine-tuned.

But if anyone still wants to replace their old cables with new cables, (and I've done this years ago) is to install a turn buckle on the cables in order to adjust the level. One important point if you go that route...make sure you choose an "open-body" turnbuckle so you can visually see how far out you have them adjusted. A closed body turnbuckle won't allow you to see just how many threads are engaged.

Another thing...replace any nuts and bolts with stainless and maintain a good coat of paint on the stand itself. I've left stands in trees for years with no worries other than the tree growing and making removal difficult.
Something that I advise if you intend to hunt the same tree next year is to loosen the main chain a few links when the season is over.
Which is another reason for using a bungee on the chain. It'll allow the tree to grow without over-tightening on the stand, but the bungee will maintain the same position the platform has on the tree.

One more detail...it great to have a stand that the platform can fold-up while it's in the tree. 2 benefits...you can padlock it in the "up" position so squatters can't climb into it (and they possibly fall from your stand) and during leaf-fall, you'll always have a clean platform for each hunt. No more picking dry leaves out of the mesh before you step onto it. A folded platform is less noticeable from the ground, too.
 
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I would encourage not leaving stands up all year. I know it is a pain to deal with putting them up and taking them down but they need to be thoroughly inspected every year and either parts or whole stands need to be replaced when it is appropriate. This is esp true if you are hanging sets for others to use. I had a cable break this year and and it was a little sketchy for a minute but I was in my saddle and prepared to get down if the whole platform had gone out from under me. No one else on the private where that happened would have been prepared to deal with that.

I am with @Allegheny Tom that I think we will most likely be changing out all the platform cables for amsteel in the off season and either replace the straps or switch them to amsteel as well.

Would it change your mind at all if these were 95% ladder stands? I feel like the ground contact makes them a little less sketchy to leave up. Plus no cables etc to fail
 
Would it change your mind at all if these were 95% ladder stands? I feel like the ground contact makes them a little less sketchy to leave up. Plus no cables etc to fail
No not really. A good friend fell and fractured 3 vertebrae in his back when a ladder stand that was left up all your fell just as he was getting to the platform. He said he enjoyed the 11 mile wheeler ride to get back to his vehicle so he could go to the hospital. The one thing that would make me forever hunt only from the ground is if ladderstands were the only option to hunt elevated. They suck ballz, period. I dont care what anyone says.
 
Make or buy some versa buttons and make amsteel whoopie slings is what I did on the windwalker I bought because I wanted to be able to level the platform. Original windwalker couldnt be leveled.

Make for dang sure you are making them properly, they will be what is holding you in the air. Test them thoroughly at ground level or close enough not to get fubar if you didnt make them right.

or make your own daisy chains outta amsteel. gabillion vids on youtube on how to make.

i loosen mine every winter and tighten/inspect them in the late summer when i hang cameras. this is to protect the tree.

replace the ratchet straps every year if you like. they are cheaper than falling.
 
The old Strongbuilts and BBK stands had the chain bolted to one side of the upright and a flat piece of steel, with a slot on the bottom up, welded to the upright protruding off the opposite side of the standoff from the bolt. I did prefer the hook on the one side over that concept though. I used chain-on almost exclusively for years because they were easier to lock lol!
 
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