Well let me tell you what sonny boy. Us old timers don't have all the answers, at least I don't. I value all input regardless. I think the more everyone posts the better off we ALL are. You never know where your going to pick up a piece of information that contributes to your ah ha moment. A fresh look, one experience shared through a conversation that my or may not be directly related to the discussion, from anyone. As an individual, and as a fellow hunter, DO NOT under value yourself or your experiences, as a contributor to this forum or any where. It's ok to be a good listener, in fact it's a great skill, but also be willing to join in, and don't be afraid to be wrong. I've learned the most in my life by being wrong and being willing to listen, and take constructive criticism, and making it right. I don't care if your 23 or 83 I am an accumulation of knowledge of the WHOLE world. I try not to pick and choose to much. I'm not perfect, I just figure if I put down as many filters as I can I gain a broader spectrum of knowledge. Oh **** that's some deep dodo there.......... I stand by every word. Now go fetch me a brandy